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« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2011, 02:12:58 PM »

as salaam 'alaikum,

sooo excited! . . .alhamdulillah, began showing the girls individual flashcard words for each ayah/surah in the short suwar (and I also say the English translation of each word in context), and now (at 3 years 9 months 3 days old, masha'Allah) they can actually read visually and properly recite orally with tajweed, directly from the mushaaf for 001 Surah al-Fatihah, and 098 al-Bayyinah through 114 al-Naas!, masha'Allah  yes  . . . du'as please . . jak . . . asa . . . ayesha  big grin

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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2011, 10:52:02 PM »

MashaAllah! TabarakAllah! May Allah increase them in knowledge and protect them.

Really pleased for you guys!  Please do keep updating us - it keeps us motivated and it so nice to hear from somebody who thinks along the same lines - there  are lots of people out there who are too quick to say its too much pressure for such young children!  I too would love my son to be reading from the mushaf by age 4 (a bit ambitious at the moment!!) and have memorised juz amma orally iA, so please keep us in your duas.

JK also for all those links in the previous post - will check them out when I have a bit more time on my hands iA.


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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2011, 11:35:42 PM »

AA again!  Another the girls are reading, do you think it is best to teach the traditional way and then introduce whole words?  Any things you would do differently/any tips to share?

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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2011, 02:48:12 PM »


ameen.  jazaaki Allahu khaira. insha'Allah, he will be able to do it by the age of 4, or sooner.  and obviously, the traditional oral methods have worked for centuries, so either way, he will learn, insha'Allah.  

- i knew the Doman method would work for Noorani, and am just amazed to see and hear the girls read visually and pronounce orally - and correctly with tajweed, masha'Allah (and as much as they can at this young age, since their speech is not yet fully developed, insha'Allah.)

- since they are now able to sight read (with spell reading and pronunciation, until a word becomes instantly recognizable; which is the concept behind "word flow" flashcards:;

- and they are able to recite with tajweed
  - because i point out the tajweed rules as they occur;
  - for example; "مِن رَّبِّكَ ", i explain that noon sukoon followed by raa = idghaam without ghunnah/nasal sound and then i say, "the words are written as "min" / "rabbika", and the two words pronounced together with tajweed is spell read as "meem kasrah raa shaddah = mir / raa fathah baa shaddah = rab / mir-rab / baa kasrah = bi / mir-rab-bi / kaaf fathah = ka / "mir-rab-bi-ka")

- this process is the main purpose of Noorani, teaching them to become independent readers; so i am now focusing on teaching them the individual words (spell reading/pronunciation with last tashkeel pronounced) of the ayat (and the last word in an ayah is pronounced with tashkeel and with sukoon), along with a brief explanation for the tajweed rule, and the English translation of the word in context

- connect the words together with tajweed rules (i spell read it for them, and they listen to it being pronounced using the word-for-word recitation feature here (and they are working on Juz Tabaraak soon, insha'Allah):  

- once they know the words by sight - it is easy for them, because there is so much repetition in the Qur'an.  

- i also print out the flashcards and will mix up the words in an ayah, and they put them back into the correct order.  and i found a way to print multiple ppt slides per page, so i can make smaller sized flashcards, instead of one huge word per page, i can print out smaller flashcards at 2/4/6 etc. per page.

- they just finished surah al-bayyinah, and will review it this week, along with all the other suwar; subhanAllah - this morning - we did our 5 sets for Noorani Lesson 10 (Sukoon) . . . reviewed the flashcard words for Surah al-Bayyinah, and they knew the majority of them, and needed a little help with ayah 8 (which they just learned 2 days ago, masha'Allah, although they did correctly spell read/pronounc the words themselves, masha'Allah) - and when listening to review of previous lessons of Sheikh Hussary recite Surah al-Bayyinah - Surah al-Naas, they insisted to follow along with their pointer finger accurately in their little juz amma booklet and recited along with him, masha'Allah ( * tears * of happiness and relief after a long journey of material preparations) . . .ya Allah . . .  

- i plan to teach them a minimum of one ayah per day (and more as they can) using the flashcards first, then word-for-word recitation of the site, which makes the mushaaf easy for them to read; at a goal/rate of one surah per week, insha'Allah; and they also have to review the words until they become instantly recognizable; i hope for them to finish juz 'amma by the end of august, insha'Allah.  (and they will be 4 years 3 months, insha'Allah).

- deep sigh.  i have to get busy with finishing preparing Lesson 17 (final lesson) into LR format, along with the two addendum's of special words for Hafs 'an 'Asim; and making more individual Qura'nic word flashcards for the suwar for them; and ppt is giving me a hard time with putting the waqf symbol to the right side of the slide, instead of the left side at the end of a word?!?  tongue  

- du'as, please.  smile

- and how are you? how is your hijrah? what part of ksa are moving to again?

jazaaki Allahu khaira for your support - not many people appreciate it or understand what i am going through.

ayesha  blush  

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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2011, 04:11:16 PM »

Sarah reading/reciting from Surah al-'Adiyaat, masha'Allah.

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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2011, 04:13:59 PM »

Salma reading/reciting from Surah al-'Adiyat, masha'Allah.


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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2011, 09:59:10 AM »

Salaam - would love to show these videos to my kids, but I keep getting an internal server error!  Never mind...

Have bought my son one of these - he is a big fan of stickers, so I thought this would help him along iA.
juz amma tree:

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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2011, 07:11:37 PM »

wa 'alaikum as salaam . . . hmmm, try to view them here:

. . . i have seen these stickers before, and they are unfortunately out of stock when i want to order them!  i will check back with my local distributor again soon . . .

. . . how are you teaching your son with talqeen (listening/repeat) for tafeedh? what is your schedule? . . .

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* try the LR Noorani Lesson 1 .cat files and playlist files, and let us know what you think! 
* I also uploaded Surah al-Fatihah by ayah with Shk. ar-Ra'ee's recitation (and will upload it again to include images with English translation; i hope you can see the 'Uthmani font as on this displayed on this website that is best viewed in IE or Safari, and you can download the "me_quranKer6 font" from the site as well >

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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2011, 09:50:59 AM »

Salaam - jk.  Hammaad really enjoyed watching the videos. (He asked, "Is that me mummy?") LOL Looks like the girls are doing well mA.

Have downloaded the LR files - they look great and I'll try them on my daughter Safiyya iA.  With the first two files you uploaded, I noticed an error though:
- alistiadhah and albasmalah both start with hamzatul qata in your files, but I believe it should be hamzatul wasl (no hamzah sign on the alif)

Realised I didn't respond to your earlier question re hijrah - well we are still in the UK, waiting for visas! But iA, whenever Allah has planned we hope to join my husband soon - in Riyadh.

RE: tahfeedh schedule:
-Quran has always been a part of bedtime routine (Hammaad can't go to sleep without hearing me recite, aH).   I try to recite the surah we are currently doing, the next few surahs we will be covering and sometimes revision of old surahs.  So, at the moment Hammaad is on Suratul Alaq, and he has almost learnt it mA.  Last night I recited from Surah as-Shams through to Bayyinah for him.  I then recited Teen, repeating each ayah three times, connecting it to the previous ayah and continuing.  This is because I will be introducing it to him in the next few days iA.

- In the daytime it is Hammaad's turn to recite - he will recite the following: current surah, last surah, any weak surahs recently learned and one revision surah.  At the moment, he will do: alaq, qadr, bayyinah (weak surah) and one other revision surah from the rest of the juz.

-When it comes to learning the current surah, it depends on whether he already knows some of the surah from our night time session.  For example, he already knew Qadr, so we didn't need to do any work on it at all.  Bayyinah was a completely different story - he didn't know much of it so we worked on one or two ayah per day - he would recite after me, word by word until he knew the surah.

-At home I would also play the current surah or a selection of surahs whilst the children are playing, but I haven't been able to do that at the moment.  It doesn't seem to have affected his schedule much though, aH.

And finally - PM/email me if you can't get the juz amma sticker tree, they seem to be available pretty readily in the UK.

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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2011, 09:55:37 AM »

Just downloaded the fatihah file - excellent mA.

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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2011, 07:20:57 PM »

wa 'alaikum as salaam.

wa iyaaki.   LOL .

thanks for letting me know - i just copied the text from online . . . and i create everything in .ppt and save as jpegs for LR which is highly configurable compared to .ppt . . . but i print from .ppt and put the flashcards into page protectors in binders for them to review from . . .

i like the method you are using with hammad, masha'Allah. he will definetely have the habit of reading/reciting Qur'an everyday, insha'Allah . . .  in that particular video/s of the girls, i have them listen (and they recite with the Sheikh as much as they like) to Qur'an as review every morning during or after breakfast.  the learning process seems to be:  listening a lot in the beginning (pre-production stage of learning a language), and when they are ready, they repeat after the sheikh (production stage of learning a language), and after some time, they will then recite with the Sheikh (improved memory and confidence in themselves), and i know they have memorized it when they recite on their own, masha'Allah. . . please find attached an English translation of "al-Daleel al-Sanaweeyah" that is used to keep track of student's memorization/revision schedules . . . until you can get the Arabic book in Riyadh, insha'Allah . . .

. . . and after speaking with sheikh muhammad ar-ra'ee, i explained that i was using the flashcards (which is sooo strange to him  LOL ) and he advised that the girls begin spell reading from al-naas, at a pace of 3 lines per day, while still memorizing via talqeen.  for noorani, they just spell read the ayah, while connecting the words together; and i strongly believe that the doman method of first teaching the individual words is more logical, especially because it is not our language, and the spaces between the words in the mushaaf are sooo small, and then it is easy to connect the words in a ayah . . .

. . . and the doman method is continually introducing new words as vocabulary to the child; and i cannot remember if i asked you before if you read "how to teach your baby to read, 40th anniversary edition" by mr. glenn doman? . . .two years ago, when i began using the quranic flashcard words to teach the girls via the doman method, and had to stop to convert/teach noorani because of the diacritics; and i am finally now at that point of going back to creating the materials using the doman method for teaching them juz 'amma, juz tabarak, and juz qad sami'a, insha'Allah, alhamdulillah . . .

. . . yet the task seems so daunting for preparing the materials - yet, it obviously works, for any other language; and once the categories and playlists are created, it is done, insha'Allah . . . so, i am trying to decide which to do for teaching the "new" words as vocabulary in the surah:  create 5 sets of 5 words for 5 days (and randomize the order within the sets for word recognition); or create sets based on the number of words in each ayah (which vary in number) for each surah?

. . . and then i will continue to create the  .ppt of one word per page (with english translation as a footnote - you can see an example in the updated file of "Surah 001 al Fatihah by Ayah Recited by Shk ar-Ra'ee ii" - i added jpegs/pictures to the same file) and additional LR .cat files with one ayah per page (and double spacing between the words) for spell reading purposes, which is easy to do by copying the text directly from and pasting directly to the LR word slide, and is nice with the double spacing feature; i wish i could print the slides directly from LR with the custom font, insha'Allah) . . . and i have to continue splitting shk muhammad's cd tracks into individual ayah also . . . and i also learned that shk farooq in jeddah has produced a cd of recitation for the last 3 juz, and it includes the spell-reading for surah al-qadr through al-naas - which i am eager to get when available in usa in april, insha'Allah . . .

. . . were you able to see the font in the Surah al-Fatihah .cat files, exactly as displayed on the website? . . i created it as a draft/sample, after i had problems with the font displaying correctly from nellie's .cat files of her suwar . . .  

. . . whewwwwwwwwww . . . so much work to do to set up the doman schedule for teaching the words in each surah; and the madness of producing materials begins yet again, because i cannot create an english translation footnote in LR, and have to create it in .ppt wacko  . . . ya Allah, "Allahumma la sahla illama ja-altahu sahla wa anta taj alu al hazana ethaa sahla. (O Allah! Nothing is easy except what You have made easy. If You wish, You can make the difficult easy.)" >

Nice recitation of this du'a here:
<a href="" target="_blank"></a>

. . . and sometimes i wonder why am i insisting to do all of this work? when i remember that it is because I want to teach my children Qur'an via Doman Method in LR, to have instant word recognition, correct pronunciation, understanding of basic English translation, along with their memorization lessons; and this method of teaching both Arabic/English meanings together is done successfully at al-Muminah School in Mumbai, India, masha'Allah, (for conventional methods of teaching sight reading/sounds beginning at age 5 or 6):

Aren't we like the Parrot?
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du'as please! 
baraaka Allahu feeki!  blush   

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« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2011, 07:30:08 PM »

asa . .. thinking out loud . . .

 blink I feel so overwhelmed at this project of creating .cat files for each word in each surah, (without sound clips) - even though i converted all of noorani to the doman method, and that was with soundclips!   blink   and then set up each lesson into a schedule of daily playlists . . .

. . . and then i read this and feel reassured that it is the same process as the doman reading method, just using Qur'anic Arabic words:

. . .except i don't know about the pictures for words . . i suppose it would work for nouns?  al-naas (people), al-kawthar (beautiful river?), al-fil (elephant) . . . hmmm  mellow 

. . .wondering if i should add slide numbers to the surah words or not? and what about words that repeat from surah to surah? should they be included? (which would work if one is using the .cat files in order; but if anyone wants just one surah, then i think each word from the surah should be as a slide, so that each surah is a lesson in and of itself, and not dependent on other suwar).

. . . another idea is to create another separate category listing of non-repeating words in order from surah al-fatihah, surah al-naas to surah al-mujaadilah (the last three juz, as usually taught in reverse order); as one huge .cat file - like this dictionary that begins with surah al-fatihah and goes through al-baqara to surah al-naas, with only non-repeating words:

1st set of pages from dictionary:

entire dictionary;

. . and then make a schedule of 5 sets of 5 cards for 5 days . . and just cycle through the entire list from beginning to end . . . and then they can use the dictionary above for surah al-baqarah to the end . . .

thoughts? comments? advice?  rolleyes



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« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2011, 10:27:13 PM »


So much to talk about  - will try to answer as many qus as poss iA.

First of all - I was just talking to my husband about our Quran revision schedules and then I see you have attached a yearly review schedule to your post - subhanallah, exactly what I need!  Have decided to step up how much Quran Hammaad needs to review each day - with a view to increasing time spent on Quran gradually and to ensure that what he has memorised is solid iA.  So, rather than only reviewing one surah per day he will need to review a page so that we can go through all the material in a week iA.  Not sure how he will take to this - but we'll see iA!

And now onto your questions/comments iA.

Have I read the Doman book? No I haven't got around to reading the full book yet! Based on my limited knowledge, I decided to go through the traditional method for Hammaad - to ensure he'll be able to read accurately and that he knows the drill, if you see what I mean.  I do plan to introduce whole words too iA- for instant recognition as you mention.  I'll start working on materials once we have settled in a home iA.

What is the thinking behind arranging the words by surah or ayah? I know we teach Quran systematically normally, but I had assumed that for the Doman method one could create word lists using the something like the 80% of words in the Quran site, and then group words together by ayah once we reach the couplet stage? Forgive me if I have misunderstood what you are trying to say. Do you want to group the words by surah to teach the translation in context of the surah?

 .wondering if i should add slide numbers to the surah words or not? and what about words that repeat from surah to surah? should they be included? (which would work if one is using the .cat files in order; but if anyone wants just one surah, then i think each word from the surah should be as a slide, so that each surah is a lesson in and of itself, and not dependent on other suwar).

Maybe we have just taken very different approaches to this - in my mind memorisation of the suwar and reading them are separate activities for such young children.  (Perhaps because my own son is learning purely orally? And I have seen my nephew who is almost 7 who prefers to learn orally even though he can read the mushaf?) So for me, it does not need to be broken down into separate surahs - I would just introduce the words, then maybe couplets and then ayat from each surah systematically.  And I would just include the ayah numbers as they appear in your Fatihah file.

I agree that the difficult bit is putting pictures to the words - ok for some nouns, but complicated for so many things! You mentioned al-kauthar and to put a picture of a river with it may not give it justice?  Perhaps the words can be learnt without pictures - even if I taught all the translation to Hammaad, at this stage I don't think he would understand certain concepts anyway - but as he grows there will be time to teach these anyway iA. And what about where the words can have different meanings?

Hmmm...don't think I have been much help, just asked more questions!  May Allah make it easy for you to create all the materials.  Know that He knows the effort you are putting in and you will be rewarded iA.  If the materials (and your girls) can teach others too then think of the potential rewards iA!

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« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2011, 10:31:23 PM »

Oh, and the fonts in the fatihah file displayed exactly as they do on the houseofquran site.

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« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2011, 12:23:03 AM »

wa 'alaikum as salaam.

Hmmm - the whole purpose of the doman reading method and YBCR (which seems to based on doman method, and added multi-sensory learning and phonics to it) is to use multiple learning pathways of vision and audio (and kinesthetic) for learning and building more neural networks in the brain, and also because children learn at an astonishing speed at this age;

dr. robert titzer has published research on it:
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This is the process so far:

- I create my excel spreadsheet to determine the playlist sets based on the doman method schedule to teach the words occuring in the surah we are currently learning, as well as the meaning in context.

- create the .ppt slides with each and every consecutive word per slide (even if repeated words in a surah, such as "sharri" in surah al-falaq (so I can play the set in order as the surah)

- put the ayah markers on a seperate slide (because i want them to focus on each word individually) - and the ayah numbers are good for counting in Arabic (at least up to 286)

- add the English translation at the bottom

- leaning towards leaving off the slide number (so that when the flaschards are printed out, they can play and arrange the words as reinforcement  of learning - similar to what is recommended in Doman method and YBCR - making a game to "find the word" between several choices) in the correct order for each ayah, without using the slide number as a guide)

- save as jpeg's and upload into LR .cat file for each individual surah.

- in the beginning, these are to teach reading one ayah at a time, and will gradually build up to several ayat per page, and then to lines as in the madinah mushaaf

- i was happy that i could copy from and format the text with the custom font, directly into the word slide tab, and use the double spacing as an alternative, but could not figure out how to add the English translation, and unable to print from LR with a custom font at this time

- so, i ended up creating another .ppt with one ayah per slide (with single spacing) and the english translation; save as jpegs, and upload into LR .cat file by surah (although my husband pointed out that i need to print the ayah/surah in the same placement on the page as in their mushaaf, because they will also visually memorize the page; i think i can do this with the "reciter" software: ; although this particular step may not be needed for much longer - as they can visually follow along in the mushaaf; i just have to first teach them the words and pronunciation; and how to connect them together in the ayah.

- manually split the surah into mp3 files and attach into LR .cat file

- user can choose to show ayat with or without translation


- Mrs. Janet Doman, in the DVD video for "Teach Your Baby To Read", encourages parents to go from words to books as soon as possible, noting that parents get stuck in the word stage; and she suggests that we take actually book and break it down backwards into the steps:  Step 05 - Book (Surah); Step 04 - Sentences of 4, 5, & 6 words (Ayat); Step 03 - Phrases of 3 words (; Step 02 - Couplets of 2 words (; Step 01 - Individual words (.ppt/LR).

- And then you teach it from beginning with words, couplets, phrases, sentences (one per page - which would be our ayah) and then they can read the "book" - or in our case, the Surah.  

- Because I want to also teach the English translation simultaneously (and some they will understand and some they will not), I include it, because I know of too many huffadh that can recite beautifully, but don't understand the basics of what they are reciting, and don't have to study it later in life with many responsibilitites.  If the little girl in Mumbai can memorize both WFW, so can they - because it is pure memorization at this point, with some understanding.

- One could teach 80% words; and they may occur in Juz 'Amma; but what about all of the other words in the surah that are not in the list?

- I am focusing on word recognition and pronunciation (and introducing the meaning) from Surah al-Fatihah, Surah al-Naas to Surah al-Mujaadilah; and the more we progress the less new words they will learn, it is a matter of building up the vocabulary.  

- in the famous IQRA series below, each lesson is based on a surah, and includes a list of the vocabulary in the surah, with translation; and i am just doing the same in a flaschard format on the doman method schedule:

example of vocabulary list >

Short Surahs (Textbook)

Juz' Amma:30, For the Classroom (vol 1)

Juz' Amma: 30, For the Classroom (vol 2)

- my frustration and anxiety is due to wishing i could create the materials faster they are able to memorize, because learning is accelerated when more are senses used (visual/auditory/tactile/etc.).  i called the institutes and asked them about all of this - because I have noticed that they recite more accurately and clearer when I show them the flashcards, to spell-read the words, then use the WFW recitation software on for the steps of couplets/phrases/sentences (that I will spell-read for them, and let them listen to the sheikh pronounce it; and which aids in memorizing the surah; yet they learn/memorize faster than I can create the materials!  and i don't want them to wait for me Sad  and I was comforted when she used the example of when children learn nursery rhymes that parents and teachers sing to them by listening and singing them, and then the parent will use the doman method to make a "book" with the lyrics so that the child can visually read them; and I realized it is the same for the Qur'an; but I was able to teach the girls to read Qur'anic Arabic early, to help them use both visual and auditory learning at the same time.  

- so, I will just keep creating the sets of words by surah as I can, using for couplets/phrases/sentences; while continuing with teaching them via talqeen (listening and repeating) for memorization; and to help refine their pronunciation / review of their memorization visually, via the flashcards and ayat (gradually building up to a page of the mushaaf).

jazaaki alf alf khaira for listening.  smile  

p.s. would you please check this attached .ppt (and you can use it as a template if you like) for ayat 4 of surah al-ikhlaas - i can view it fine in .ppt, and as a slideshow; yet when i convert to jpeg's and upload into LR, ayah 4 tashkeel (also attached as jpeg) on top are cut off; and i even enlarged the vertical size of the text box several times, increased the paragraph line double space; and each time i re-save as jpeg, it is still cutting of the top in the jpeg?  i am unsure what to do now?  confused 

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