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Title: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on October 12, 2009, 12:27:15 AM
ASAWRWB Everyone,

I wanted to share some good news that both the girls are now able to recognize the Arabic alphabet and pronounce them (almost clearly)!, masha'Allah.

Next we will work on combined letters from al-Qa'ida an-Nooraneeyah/Noorani and then move to the short vowels. 

How is everyone else coming along?

JAK
ASA
Ayesha :)


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: ketty rain on October 13, 2009, 07:37:06 PM
asa ayesha
i want to ask you about teaching arabic progress .did U start with the alphapets or words?arabic alphapet has at least 3 forms atthe beggining and middle and end also altashkeel?so what was your way because for memy child can read 300 word but when i teach her alphapet she refuse to accept !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on October 13, 2009, 07:58:30 PM
Dear Ketty Rain,

I was going to use whole words with Arabic - until a teacher pointed out to me that the tashkeel would be confusing for the children and it is best to start with the alphabet and then add the short vowels, etc. - which is the teaching methodology of al-Qai'da an-Nooraneeyah/Noorani (it is also known as al-Qai'da Baghdadeeyah or Yasarnal Qur'an). 

I began with the individual alphabet letters and the corresponding soundclips that I use within Little Reader, which I show 2 - 3 times per day.  I will begin Lesson 2 - Combined letters which show the various forms of each letter.

There is another similar Qur'anic Arabic learning program that I have the files for that could be used in LR if you want, although there are no sound clips - you would have to find a tajweed scholar to properly recite them for you.  Just PM your email address and I will send you the text of the program, insha'Allah. 

For fusha Arabic, my husband will translate my English Doman word list into Arabic (without tashkeel) and create the sound clips for them and I will follow the same Doman schedule in LR, insha'Allah. 

It is a lot of work to create everything - but so worth it to see the girls correctly identifying the Qur'anic Arabic alphabet consistently after a relatively short time, masha'Allah.

JAK
ASA
Ayesha :)



Title: Re: Progress Update for Classical Arabic
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on November 09, 2009, 04:20:14 PM
ASA.  Dear Jam'ah,

Alhamdulillah, I am so excited that Sarah & Salma are progressing with Lesson 2 - Combined letters.  And I also noticed that in our daily reading of the mushaaf, they are identifying individual Arabic letters correctly within various words.   :yes:

ASA
Ayesha :)



Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Umm Sayyid on December 23, 2009, 10:44:05 AM
Dear Ayesha., congratulations!

Has anybody so far succeeded in teaching their children to read Arabic? Any stories?


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: noureldeen on December 28, 2009, 01:39:43 AM
asawrawb ya jama'at al khayer
i have been longing to this for such a long time.look guys, i am a Muslim Egyptian mom of 2 kids noureldeen3 years and 3months and omar 8 months.i was an English lecturer and a house wife now.i started with nour English first since he was 30 months. at first i was not satisfied cos i was worried did he acquire what i taught him specially it was in a different language.by time he uttered his first word "FRUITS"when he saw it on a plate while i was washing the dishes lol
since then i kept doing flash cards sorted by category and showing him PPS or downloaded pdf and i pronounce them for him
also ,i think it was the most important thing the video i downloaded for him from the u tube .they were much fun for him and by the passage of time it became a part and parcel of his life and he kept saying after them .
he knows dozens of categories now alhamdulleh  الحمد لله
concerning Arabic ,i  was a little confused ,whether to teach him whole words as English or mere letters.
i started with letters,i also ,downloaded nourelbayan software and play it with him often .it is so interesting and i recommend u download it.
the alphabet section is illustrated with sound and pictures.
he knows all the letters now accompanied by  a word or more as an example..
i am working nowadays with his first letters by tshkeel or harakat.according to al tarika al bughdadeya u have to teach all the letters with the same haraka first (al fatha)and then kasra and then dammah and then start to combine 2 letters to make a word likeأب أ/و,and so on i have a lot of source if u want me to send them willingly i will.
u can download the nour el bayan program from these links.

RapidShare
http://takemyfile.com/433156

Big & Free
http://takemyfile.com/433151

SendSpace
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DepositFiles
http://takemyfile.com/433152

EgoShare
http://takemyfile.com/433154

Badongo
http://takemyfile.com/433147
this is also an index of the books that are taught to kids in the course.



http://ia311011.us.archive.org/0/items/noorbian3/
u can choose the .exe u want and download them they include Arabic , math in Arabic as well as English,..
sorry for the too long story but i wish it could be of some help to the Muslim believers
و السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: ketty rain on January 13, 2010, 04:53:45 PM
السلام عليكم
nooreldeen
i am teaching my 3 years old child arabic and she can read alots of words now ما شاء الله
i start with words then alphapets then now i will start with altashkeel w al harakat but i dont now what is the best way to introduce it can u help
has any one else tried this?how


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on November 26, 2010, 05:24:34 PM
as salaam 'alaikum. 

It has been some time since I posted to this thread, and felt that I needed some motivation, because this process of converting Noorani to the Doman method in LR is long and tedious!!!  Alhamdulillah for everything. 

Thank you Nour el Deen for the links - although I am unable to download the files?

And Ketty Rain, have you progressed to couplets, phrases, sentences (4 - 6 words)?

The girls began an Islamic Montesorri preschool in August, and we still learn Noorani and Qur'an daily, alhamdulillah.  Currently, the girls are on Noorani Lesson 8b (al-Leen) and I am setting up lesson 9 daily playlists schedules.  This has been a long and tedious process (and I lost 3 months worth of materials production time because of computer system crash!) - yet well worth it since they can read and spell out the words from the mushaaf (they still have to learn lessons on sukoon and shaddah in the near future, insha'Allah). 

How is everyone else doing these days? 

JAK
ASA
Ayesha :)


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on December 09, 2010, 01:17:29 PM
Wa alaikum salaam wa rahmatullah Ayesha.

Great to hear your girls are progressing mA.  We are still working on three letter voweled words and my son is now starting to spell them out in the mushaf/arabic books aH.  I think we have a way to go before we can progress on to the next lesson though.  My son has also started to ask for whole words (names of prophets etc) so that he look for these in the text, so we've started to introduce these but I haven't put together a schedule or anything yet.

I came across these which I plan to use at some point iA:
http://www.learningroots.com/lr/lvq003.php


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on December 30, 2010, 11:36:05 PM
as salaam 'alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh!

Masha'Allah!  It is exciting when they progress to the next level, isn't it?   :yes:   And I like that your son is connecting the words to text - I have also been finding the exact location in the mushaaf for the exercise words in Noorani, to see if they can find the word in the ayah; and they have a sense of accomplishment when they see it in an ayah.  And I also tell them the English translation of the word in context of the ayah.

Have you read the Doman book "How to Teach Your Baby to Read - 4th Anniversary Edition"?  I am stuck in preparing Lesson 11 and need to bounce ideas off someone, who is familiar with both the Doman method and Noorani-type readers.

I love the website and have seen it before.  It is very nice.

JAK
ASA
Ayesha ;)



Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on January 22, 2011, 11:13:30 PM
as salaam 'alaikum,

Excited that the girls are almost done with Noorani Lesson 9 - exercise; and I am working double time to finish preparing Lesson 12 - Shaddah, with 504 slides! (28 letters x 18 forms of shaddah)  :wacko:

And I have a question.  The girl's Qur'an class at school is now on Surah al-Ma'n.  We are ahead on our own home schedule, and began Surah al-Takaathur today. I began spell reading the individual words (with last tashkeel and any applied tajweed rules, along with the english translation) of each ayah to them (i have them as large flashcards in .ppt); and then the spell reading of the ayah with applied tajweed rules and translation; listen to the wfw recitation; listen to the surah repeatedly.

I then asked them to pick out random words from each ayah, and they could do it, masha'Allah. :)

So now, do I begin with spell reading the other words in the ayah/suwar from the istiaadhah/basmala, surah al fatihah, and then from their current school lesson of Surah al-Ma'un, and work down to surah al-naas; or backwards from Surah al-Naas to al-Ma'un, and those in between to Surah al-Takaathur? :S

What do you think?
JAK
ASA
Ayesha :)

EDIT > Su 01.23.2011 @ 6:48 pm EST | I decided to begin with the istiaadhah, the basmala, Surah al-Fatihah, and then Surah al-Naas, and backwards through Juz 'Amma.   :)



Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on January 23, 2011, 11:46:25 PM
Hmmm - I am also wondering if i should include page numbers on the short suwar flashcards? each flaschard/page has one large uthmani script Qur'anic word, with the ayah marker on a seperate page; while it is easier for me to put the words back in order with the numbers; without them, it will force the children and myself to learn the ayat . . . what do you think? . . .

slide 1 - "Surah al Fatihah"
slide 2 - bismi
slide 3 - Allahi
slide 4 - al-Rahmani
slide 5 - al-Raheemi
slide 6 - ayah marker for end of ayah 1
slide 7 - al-hamdulillahi
slide 8 - al-rabbi
slide 9 - al-'alameena
slide 10 - ayah marker for end of ayah 2
slide 11 - al-Rahmani
slide 12 - al-Raheemi
slide 13 - ayah marker for end of ayah 3
. . etc.

* * * I decided to begin with the al-istiaahdah, and subhanAllah.  I showed the following Arabic flashcards to one of the children:

slide 1 - al-istiaadhah
slide 2 - at-ta'awwudhu
slide 3 - a'oothu
slide 4 - billahi
slide 5 - mina
slide 6 - shaitaani
slide 7 - al-rajeemi

. . spell read the words, one at a time, then mixed them up, and she put them back in the correct order and pronounced them correctly by herself, masha'Allah!!! :D  now on to the basmala . . . and then Surah al-Fatihah, Surah al-Naas, and backwards to our current Surah of al-Humazah, insha'Allah.

JAK
ASA
Ayesha  :D


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on January 24, 2011, 12:19:51 AM
Assalamu alaikum wr wb Ayesha,

Firstly apologies for the late response.  Things have been very hectic here - we've just been packing up our home to move to Saudi Arabia iA!  My husband flies out there next weekend and the kids and I are staying with my parents whilst we await our visas.

JK for the progress update - Ma sha Allah it is great to hear how Sarah and Salma are doing!  If you still need to bounce any ideas off anyone I am happy to try and help - though it sounds like you have it all figured out mA!

As for our progress, we are still working on three letter words, but at quite a slow pace at the moment.  My focus is on memorisation - and this is purely oral.  I sometimes show him the words in the mushaf if he is having difficulty with the pronunciation, but otherwise reading is currently a separate activity. In my view memorisation is easiest the younger you are and Hammaad is like a sponge at the moment - and I want to make the most of that time.  We are on suratul qariah at the moment but I have heard Hammaad recite several verses from other sections of the Quran - especially the surahs I am learning. At some point the memorisation will need to shift so he can learn independently, but I don't see this happening for some time.  My nephew, who is 6 is currently half way through juz tabarak and although he can read the mushaf he still prefers to memorise orally.

I haven't introduced any translation yet - I was planning to go through translation/tafseer when Hammaad is a little older (he is currently 3 years and 3 months) and when he has picked up some arabic iA.  How have your girls got on with the translation?

 As for page numbers - in my view anything that aids memorisation is the way to go. 

Hope this is of some benefit to you.


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on January 24, 2011, 12:25:08 AM
Also wanted to share this site - useful for tajweed, has audio

http://www.tajweedinenglish.com/


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on February 21, 2011, 05:43:13 PM
wa 'alaikum as salaam wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh,

KM276 - alf alf mabrook, masha'Allah!!! I am so happy for you and your family, may Allah (swt) make it easy, ameen!  Yes, it amazing that children's minds are so absorbent at this age.  And the traditional methods of teaching tafeedh are orally based, and then they learn the meanings, translation, tafseer and grammar as they become older and develop more critical thinking skills.  

This is the approach of the Islamic Montessori preschool, that the girls attend; and they are memorizing orally; and learning the Arabic alphabet in school (although they are ahead of their class because of Doman method applied to Noorani, masha'Allah); and yet they don't always pronounce the words clearly and correctly with tajweed; for example, they would say "deen-a-kum; instead of "deen-u-kum" - so I began this process:

1.  spell-reading the individual words to them, using Othmany Quranic suwar.ppt flashcards, with each word on a slide, with English translation in the footnotes, and ayah markers on a seperate slide as well; all in correct order.

2.  then i will use the word-for-word recitation feature of this website that pronounces the couplets/phrases with tajweed:  http://www.houseofquran.com/qsys/quranteacher1.html

3.  then I will have them memorize the surah.  

It only takes a few extra minutes per week, and this seems to help them, because I can tell a difference.  We are currently learning one ayah per day for Surah al-Bayyinah at home, and in their school, they are on Surah al-Fil.  

I also adapted the Mauritanian method of memorization to create this schedule for memorization and review daily that they listen to and will recite along with Sheikh Hussary, ra:

New Lesson (098 Surah al Bayyinah) @ 10 times (once they have learned all the actual ayat)
Previous Lessons Reviewed on this schedule:
099 @ 5 x
100 @ 4 x
101 @ 3x
102 @ 2 x
103 - 114 @ 1x

Also for the new lesson, daily I will review the individual words flashcards for the ayah/surah, for easier recognition (which is the same concept as http://www.learningroots.com/lr/lvq003.php ); and for review of the older suwar, I am going backwards from 114 at a pace of one surah a week, to teach them the individual words in the surah and the word-for-word recitation (since I began this new process once they had already orally 'memorized' most of the ones listed, but not really visually).

There is a great book that explains how to teach tafeedh and review, that you can get once in KSA, insha'Allah:
http://www.furqaanbookstore.com/index.php/children/al-qaidah-an-noraniah/al-qaidah-an-noraniah-juz-amma-with-surah-al-fatihah-2.html

and this may be good also for your children:
http://www.furqaanbookstore.com/index.php/children/al-qaidah-an-noraniah/al-qaidah-an-noraniah-electronic-education-device-2317.html

Furqan Group is actually in Jeddah (and a different company than the website above that is in America):
http://www.furqangroup.com/

and as you know, I am a student of Sheikh Muhammad ar-Ra'ee, who resides near Washington, DC, USA  He is the older brother of Sheikh Farooq, owner of Furqan Group) in Jeddah.  Sheikh Muhammad published the Noorani English edition (that I prefer to the Arabic edition, blue cover, common in KSA, because of the real Uthmani script, and slower recorded audio clips:

http://www.islamicbookstore.com/b9420.html
http://nooranilearningcenter.blogspot.com/
http://www.recitequran.com/default.htm

But either book obviously works!, and the girls can read from both, masha'Allah.  Alhamdulillah, the girls are currently half way through Noorani Lesson 10 on Sukoon (and I manually created the rest of the alphabet pattern), and they already know the whole lesson; but I am having them practice it.  They will begin Lesson 11 exercise, soon, insha'Allah, that I have scheduled out for 6 weeks (4 sets of 5 words per day); and Lesson 12 Shaddah will take 28 days (one letter with 18 forms per day - and I manually created the rest of the pattern from HAa - Yaa).  

I am in the midst of trying to complete the rest of the book's materials into LR, hopefully within a month; and the girls will finish everything by the summer, insha'Allah.  They could be done faster, but they are so tired after full-time preschool for 7 hours a day (without a nap), masha'Allah.  So, in a few more months, they will be 4, insha'Allah, and spell reading directly from the mushaaf, learning the individual words/translation; and continuing with memorization, bi ithni Allah.  

I think after Noorani, I will begin using Rosetta Stone Arabic v.2 for them, since the lessons are short and fun.  Please keep us in your du'a, and we will keep you in ours.  

JAK
ASA
Ayesha :)

P.S.  Thanks for the link, I like that site a lot, especially the quizzes! :)



Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on February 27, 2011, 02:12:58 PM
as salaam 'alaikum,

sooo excited! . . .alhamdulillah, began showing the girls individual flashcard words for each ayah/surah in the short suwar (and I also say the English translation of each word in context), and now (at 3 years 9 months 3 days old, masha'Allah) they can actually read visually and properly recite orally with tajweed, directly from the mushaaf for 001 Surah al-Fatihah, and 098 al-Bayyinah through 114 al-Naas!, masha'Allah  :yes:  . . . du'as please . . jak . . . asa . . . ayesha  :biggrin:


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on February 27, 2011, 10:52:02 PM
MashaAllah! TabarakAllah! May Allah increase them in knowledge and protect them.

Really pleased for you guys!  Please do keep updating us - it keeps us motivated and it so nice to hear from somebody who thinks along the same lines - there  are lots of people out there who are too quick to say its too much pressure for such young children!  I too would love my son to be reading from the mushaf by age 4 (a bit ambitious at the moment!!) and have memorised juz amma orally iA, so please keep us in your duas.

JK also for all those links in the previous post - will check them out when I have a bit more time on my hands iA.

x


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on February 27, 2011, 11:35:42 PM
AA again!  Another thought...now the girls are reading, do you think it is best to teach the traditional way and then introduce whole words?  Any things you would do differently/any tips to share?

JK x


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on February 28, 2011, 02:48:12 PM
WASWRWB . . .

ameen.  jazaaki Allahu khaira. insha'Allah, he will be able to do it by the age of 4, or sooner.  and obviously, the traditional oral methods have worked for centuries, so either way, he will learn, insha'Allah.  

- i knew the Doman method would work for Noorani, and am just amazed to see and hear the girls read visually and pronounce orally - and correctly with tajweed, masha'Allah (and as much as they can at this young age, since their speech is not yet fully developed, insha'Allah.)

- since they are now able to sight read (with spell reading and pronunciation, until a word becomes instantly recognizable; which is the concept behind "word flow" flashcards:  http://www.learningroots.com/lr/lvq003.php);

- and they are able to recite with tajweed
  - because i point out the tajweed rules as they occur;
  - for example; "مِن رَّبِّكَ ", i explain that noon sukoon followed by raa = idghaam without ghunnah/nasal sound and then i say, "the words are written as "min" / "rabbika", and the two words pronounced together with tajweed is spell read as "meem kasrah raa shaddah = mir / raa fathah baa shaddah = rab / mir-rab / baa kasrah = bi / mir-rab-bi / kaaf fathah = ka / "mir-rab-bi-ka")

- this process is the main purpose of Noorani, teaching them to become independent readers; so i am now focusing on teaching them the individual words (spell reading/pronunciation with last tashkeel pronounced) of the ayat (and the last word in an ayah is pronounced with tashkeel and with sukoon), along with a brief explanation for the tajweed rule, and the English translation of the word in context

- connect the words together with tajweed rules (i spell read it for them, and they listen to it being pronounced using the word-for-word recitation feature here (and they are working on Juz Tabaraak soon, insha'Allah):

http://www.houseofquran.com/qsys/quranteacher1.html  

- once they know the words by sight - it is easy for them, because there is so much repetition in the Qur'an.  

- i also print out the flashcards and will mix up the words in an ayah, and they put them back into the correct order.  and i found a way to print multiple ppt slides per page, so i can make smaller sized flashcards, instead of one huge word per page, i can print out smaller flashcards at 2/4/6 etc. per page.

- they just finished surah al-bayyinah, and will review it this week, along with all the other suwar; subhanAllah - this morning - we did our 5 sets for Noorani Lesson 10 (Sukoon) . . . reviewed the flashcard words for Surah al-Bayyinah, and they knew the majority of them, and needed a little help with ayah 8 (which they just learned 2 days ago, masha'Allah, although they did correctly spell read/pronounc the words themselves, masha'Allah) - and when listening to review of previous lessons of Sheikh Hussary recite Surah al-Bayyinah - Surah al-Naas, they insisted to follow along with their pointer finger accurately in their little juz amma booklet and recited along with him, masha'Allah ( * tears * of happiness and relief after a long journey of material preparations) . . .ya Allah . . .  

- i plan to teach them a minimum of one ayah per day (and more as they can) using the flashcards first, then word-for-word recitation of the site, which makes the mushaaf easy for them to read; at a goal/rate of one surah per week, insha'Allah; and they also have to review the words until they become instantly recognizable; i hope for them to finish juz 'amma by the end of august, insha'Allah.  (and they will be 4 years 3 months, insha'Allah).

- deep sigh.  i have to get busy with finishing preparing Lesson 17 (final lesson) into LR format, along with the two addendum's of special words for Hafs 'an 'Asim; and making more individual Qura'nic word flashcards for the suwar for them; and ppt is giving me a hard time with putting the waqf symbol to the right side of the slide, instead of the left side at the end of a word?!?  :tongue:  

- du'as, please.  :)

- and how are you? how is your hijrah? what part of ksa are moving to again?

jazaaki Allahu khaira for your support - not many people appreciate it or understand what i am going through.

asa
ayesha  :blush:  


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on February 28, 2011, 04:11:16 PM
Sarah reading/reciting from Surah al-'Adiyaat, masha'Allah.


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on February 28, 2011, 04:13:59 PM
Salma reading/reciting from Surah al-'Adiyat, masha'Allah.


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on March 03, 2011, 09:59:10 AM
Salaam - would love to show these videos to my kids, but I keep getting an internal server error!  Never mind...

Have bought my son one of these - he is a big fan of stickers, so I thought this would help him along iA.
juz amma tree: http://www.muslimstickers.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=11&Itemid=58


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on March 03, 2011, 07:11:37 PM
wa 'alaikum as salaam . . . hmmm, try to view them here:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=182954185080981&oid=10150128217620112&comments

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=182955415080858&oid=10150128217620112&comments

. . . i have seen these stickers before, and they are unfortunately out of stock when i want to order them!  i will check back with my local distributor again soon . . .

. . . how are you teaching your son with talqeen (listening/repeat) for tafeedh? what is your schedule? . . .

jak
asa
ayesha :)

p.s 

* try the LR Noorani Lesson 1 .cat files and playlist files, and let us know what you think! 
* I also uploaded Surah al-Fatihah by ayah with Shk. ar-Ra'ee's recitation (and will upload it again to include images with English translation; i hope you can see the 'Uthmani font as on this displayed on this website that is best viewed in IE or Safari, and you can download the "me_quranKer6 font" from the site as well > http://www.houseofquran.com/qsys/quranteacher1.html

 :biggrin:



Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on March 04, 2011, 09:50:59 AM
Salaam - jk.  Hammaad really enjoyed watching the videos. (He asked, "Is that me mummy?") lol Looks like the girls are doing well mA.

Have downloaded the LR files - they look great and I'll try them on my daughter Safiyya iA.  With the first two files you uploaded, I noticed an error though:
- alistiadhah and albasmalah both start with hamzatul qata in your files, but I believe it should be hamzatul wasl (no hamzah sign on the alif)


Realised I didn't respond to your earlier question re hijrah - well we are still in the UK, waiting for visas! But iA, whenever Allah has planned we hope to join my husband soon - in Riyadh.

RE: tahfeedh schedule:
-Quran has always been a part of bedtime routine (Hammaad can't go to sleep without hearing me recite, aH).   I try to recite the surah we are currently doing, the next few surahs we will be covering and sometimes revision of old surahs.  So, at the moment Hammaad is on Suratul Alaq, and he has almost learnt it mA.  Last night I recited from Surah as-Shams through to Bayyinah for him.  I then recited Teen, repeating each ayah three times, connecting it to the previous ayah and continuing.  This is because I will be introducing it to him in the next few days iA.

- In the daytime it is Hammaad's turn to recite - he will recite the following: current surah, last surah, any weak surahs recently learned and one revision surah.  At the moment, he will do: alaq, qadr, bayyinah (weak surah) and one other revision surah from the rest of the juz.

-When it comes to learning the current surah, it depends on whether he already knows some of the surah from our night time session.  For example, he already knew Qadr, so we didn't need to do any work on it at all.  Bayyinah was a completely different story - he didn't know much of it so we worked on one or two ayah per day - he would recite after me, word by word until he knew the surah.

-At home I would also play the current surah or a selection of surahs whilst the children are playing, but I haven't been able to do that at the moment.  It doesn't seem to have affected his schedule much though, aH.


And finally - PM/email me if you can't get the juz amma sticker tree, they seem to be available pretty readily in the UK.

K x


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on March 04, 2011, 09:55:37 AM
Just downloaded the fatihah file - excellent mA.


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on March 04, 2011, 07:20:57 PM
wa 'alaikum as salaam.

wa iyaaki.   lol .

thanks for letting me know - i just copied the text from online . . . and i create everything in .ppt and save as jpegs for LR which is highly configurable compared to .ppt . . . but i print from .ppt and put the flashcards into page protectors in binders for them to review from . . .

i like the method you are using with hammad, masha'Allah. he will definetely have the habit of reading/reciting Qur'an everyday, insha'Allah . . .  in that particular video/s of the girls, i have them listen (and they recite with the Sheikh as much as they like) to Qur'an as review every morning during or after breakfast.  the learning process seems to be:  listening a lot in the beginning (pre-production stage of learning a language), and when they are ready, they repeat after the sheikh (production stage of learning a language), and after some time, they will then recite with the Sheikh (improved memory and confidence in themselves), and i know they have memorized it when they recite on their own, masha'Allah. . . please find attached an English translation of "al-Daleel al-Sanaweeyah" that is used to keep track of student's memorization/revision schedules . . . until you can get the Arabic book in Riyadh, insha'Allah . . .

. . . and after speaking with sheikh muhammad ar-ra'ee, i explained that i was using the flashcards (which is sooo strange to him  lol ) and he advised that the girls begin spell reading from al-naas, at a pace of 3 lines per day, while still memorizing via talqeen.  for noorani, they just spell read the ayah, while connecting the words together; and i strongly believe that the doman method of first teaching the individual words is more logical, especially because it is not our language, and the spaces between the words in the mushaaf are sooo small, and then it is easy to connect the words in a ayah . . .

. . . and the doman method is continually introducing new words as vocabulary to the child; and i cannot remember if i asked you before if you read "how to teach your baby to read, 40th anniversary edition" by mr. glenn doman? . . .two years ago, when i began using the quranic flashcard words to teach the girls via the doman method, and had to stop to convert/teach noorani because of the diacritics; and i am finally now at that point of going back to creating the materials using the doman method for teaching them juz 'amma, juz tabarak, and juz qad sami'a, insha'Allah, alhamdulillah . . .

. . . yet the task seems so daunting for preparing the materials - yet, it obviously works, for any other language; and once the categories and playlists are created, it is done, insha'Allah . . . so, i am trying to decide which to do for teaching the "new" words as vocabulary in the surah:  create 5 sets of 5 words for 5 days (and randomize the order within the sets for word recognition); or create sets based on the number of words in each ayah (which vary in number) for each surah?

. . . and then i will continue to create the  .ppt of one word per page (with english translation as a footnote - you can see an example in the updated file of "Surah 001 al Fatihah by Ayah Recited by Shk ar-Ra'ee ii" - i added jpegs/pictures to the same file) and additional LR .cat files with one ayah per page (and double spacing between the words) for spell reading purposes, which is easy to do by copying the text directly from http://www.houseofquran.com/qsys/quranteacher1.html and pasting directly to the LR word slide, and is nice with the double spacing feature; i wish i could print the slides directly from LR with the custom font, insha'Allah) . . . and i have to continue splitting shk muhammad's cd tracks into individual ayah also . . . and i also learned that shk farooq in jeddah has produced a cd of recitation for the last 3 juz, and it includes the spell-reading for surah al-qadr through al-naas - which i am eager to get when available in usa in april, insha'Allah . . .

. . . were you able to see the font in the Surah al-Fatihah .cat files, exactly as displayed on the website? . . i created it as a draft/sample, after i had problems with the font displaying correctly from nellie's .cat files of her suwar . . .  

. . . whewwwwwwwwww . . . so much work to do to set up the doman schedule for teaching the words in each surah; and the madness of producing materials begins yet again, because i cannot create an english translation footnote in LR, and have to create it in .ppt :wacko:  . . . ya Allah, "Allahumma la sahla illama ja-altahu sahla wa anta taj alu al hazana ethaa sahla. (O Allah! Nothing is easy except what You have made easy. If You wish, You can make the difficult easy.)" >

Nice recitation of this du'a here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFkiT_kAPDI

. . . and sometimes i wonder why am i insisting to do all of this work? when i remember that it is because I want to teach my children Qur'an via Doman Method in LR, to have instant word recognition, correct pronunciation, understanding of basic English translation, along with their memorization lessons; and this method of teaching both Arabic/English meanings together is done successfully at al-Muminah School in Mumbai, India, masha'Allah, (for conventional methods of teaching sight reading/sounds beginning at age 5 or 6):

Aren't we like the Parrot?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmDE9xWAusg&feature=related

Even children can learn the Quran word-for-word
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL7gYBb1CBc&feature=channel_video_title

Al-Muminah School featured on Headlines Today, India
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsnBkL2pGgU&feature=related

du'as please! 
baraaka Allahu feeki!  :blush:   


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on March 06, 2011, 07:30:08 PM
asa . .. thinking out loud . . .

 :blink: I feel so overwhelmed at this project of creating .cat files for each word in each surah, (without sound clips) - even though i converted all of noorani to the doman method, and that was with soundclips!   :blink:   and then set up each lesson into a schedule of daily playlists . . .

. . . and then i read this and feel reassured that it is the same process as the doman reading method, just using Qur'anic Arabic words:

http://www.childandme.com/how-teach-your-child-foreign-language-doman-method/

. . .except i don't know about the pictures for words . . i suppose it would work for nouns?  al-naas (people), al-kawthar (beautiful river?), al-fil (elephant) . . . hmmm  :mellow: 

. . .wondering if i should add slide numbers to the surah words or not? and what about words that repeat from surah to surah? should they be included? (which would work if one is using the .cat files in order; but if anyone wants just one surah, then i think each word from the surah should be as a slide, so that each surah is a lesson in and of itself, and not dependent on other suwar).

. . . another idea is to create another separate category listing of non-repeating words in order from surah al-fatihah, surah al-naas to surah al-mujaadilah (the last three juz, as usually taught in reverse order); as one huge .cat file - like this dictionary that begins with surah al-fatihah and goes through al-baqara to surah al-naas, with only non-repeating words:

1st set of pages from dictionary:
http://www.understandquran.com/fileadmin/user_upload/vocabulary/dictionary/english/set-1.pdf

entire dictionary;
http://www.understandquran.com/dictionary/dictionary/english.html

. . and then make a schedule of 5 sets of 5 cards for 5 days . . and just cycle through the entire list from beginning to end . . . and then they can use the dictionary above for surah al-baqarah to the end . . .

thoughts? comments? advice?  :rolleyes:

jak
asa
ayesha


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on March 06, 2011, 10:27:13 PM
Salaam

So much to talk about  - will try to answer as many qus as poss iA.

First of all - I was just talking to my husband about our Quran revision schedules and then I see you have attached a yearly review schedule to your post - subhanallah, exactly what I need!  Have decided to step up how much Quran Hammaad needs to review each day - with a view to increasing time spent on Quran gradually and to ensure that what he has memorised is solid iA.  So, rather than only reviewing one surah per day he will need to review a page so that we can go through all the material in a week iA.  Not sure how he will take to this - but we'll see iA!

And now onto your questions/comments iA.

Have I read the Doman book? No I haven't got around to reading the full book yet! Based on my limited knowledge, I decided to go through the traditional method for Hammaad - to ensure he'll be able to read accurately and that he knows the drill, if you see what I mean.  I do plan to introduce whole words too iA- for instant recognition as you mention.  I'll start working on materials once we have settled in a home iA.

What is the thinking behind arranging the words by surah or ayah? I know we teach Quran systematically normally, but I had assumed that for the Doman method one could create word lists using the something like the 80% of words in the Quran site, and then group words together by ayah once we reach the couplet stage? Forgive me if I have misunderstood what you are trying to say. Do you want to group the words by surah to teach the translation in context of the surah?

quote:
 .wondering if i should add slide numbers to the surah words or not? and what about words that repeat from surah to surah? should they be included? (which would work if one is using the .cat files in order; but if anyone wants just one surah, then i think each word from the surah should be as a slide, so that each surah is a lesson in and of itself, and not dependent on other suwar).

Maybe we have just taken very different approaches to this - in my mind memorisation of the suwar and reading them are separate activities for such young children.  (Perhaps because my own son is learning purely orally? And I have seen my nephew who is almost 7 who prefers to learn orally even though he can read the mushaf?) So for me, it does not need to be broken down into separate surahs - I would just introduce the words, then maybe couplets and then ayat from each surah systematically.  And I would just include the ayah numbers as they appear in your Fatihah file.


I agree that the difficult bit is putting pictures to the words - ok for some nouns, but complicated for so many things! You mentioned al-kauthar and to put a picture of a river with it may not give it justice?  Perhaps the words can be learnt without pictures - even if I taught all the translation to Hammaad, at this stage I don't think he would understand certain concepts anyway - but as he grows there will be time to teach these anyway iA. And what about where the words can have different meanings?

Hmmm...don't think I have been much help, just asked more questions!  May Allah make it easy for you to create all the materials.  Know that He knows the effort you are putting in and you will be rewarded iA.  If the materials (and your girls) can teach others too then think of the potential rewards iA!

K x




 


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on March 06, 2011, 10:31:23 PM
Oh, and the fonts in the fatihah file displayed exactly as they do on the houseofquran site.


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on March 07, 2011, 12:23:03 AM
wa 'alaikum as salaam.

Hmmm - the whole purpose of the doman reading method and YBCR (which seems to based on doman method, and added multi-sensory learning and phonics to it) is to use multiple learning pathways of vision and audio (and kinesthetic) for learning and building more neural networks in the brain, and also because children learn at an astonishing speed at this age;

http://www.iahp.org/Why-Teach-Your.187.0.html
http://www.iahp.org/Reading-Promote.189+M5bf4b3be64e.0.html

dr. robert titzer has published research on it:
http://www.vimeo.com/14770655

This is the process so far:

- I create my excel spreadsheet to determine the playlist sets based on the doman method schedule to teach the words occuring in the surah we are currently learning, as well as the meaning in context.

WORDS
- create the .ppt slides with each and every consecutive word per slide (even if repeated words in a surah, such as "sharri" in surah al-falaq (so I can play the set in order as the surah)

- put the ayah markers on a seperate slide (because i want them to focus on each word individually) - and the ayah numbers are good for counting in Arabic (at least up to 286)

- add the English translation at the bottom

- leaning towards leaving off the slide number (so that when the flaschards are printed out, they can play and arrange the words as reinforcement  of learning - similar to what is recommended in Doman method and YBCR - making a game to "find the word" between several choices) in the correct order for each ayah, without using the slide number as a guide)

- save as jpeg's and upload into LR .cat file for each individual surah.


AYAT
- in the beginning, these are to teach reading one ayah at a time, and will gradually build up to several ayat per page, and then to lines as in the madinah mushaaf

- i was happy that i could copy from houseofquran.com and format the text with the custom font, directly into the word slide tab, and use the double spacing as an alternative, but could not figure out how to add the English translation, and unable to print from LR with a custom font at this time

- so, i ended up creating another .ppt with one ayah per slide (with single spacing) and the english translation; save as jpegs, and upload into LR .cat file by surah (although my husband pointed out that i need to print the ayah/surah in the same placement on the page as in their mushaaf, because they will also visually memorize the page; i think i can do this with the "reciter" software:  http://www.islamicbookstore.com/a5116.html ; although this particular step may not be needed for much longer - as they can visually follow along in the mushaaf; i just have to first teach them the words and pronunciation; and how to connect them together in the ayah.

- manually split the surah into mp3 files and attach into LR .cat file

- user can choose to show ayat with or without translation


CATEGORIES for WORDS by Surah

- Mrs. Janet Doman, in the DVD video for "Teach Your Baby To Read", encourages parents to go from words to books as soon as possible, noting that parents get stuck in the word stage; and she suggests that we take actually book and break it down backwards into the steps:  Step 05 - Book (Surah); Step 04 - Sentences of 4, 5, & 6 words (Ayat); Step 03 - Phrases of 3 words (houseofquran.com); Step 02 - Couplets of 2 words (houseofquran.com); Step 01 - Individual words (.ppt/LR).

- And then you teach it from beginning with words, couplets, phrases, sentences (one per page - which would be our ayah) and then they can read the "book" - or in our case, the Surah.  

- Because I want to also teach the English translation simultaneously (and some they will understand and some they will not), I include it, because I know of too many huffadh that can recite beautifully, but don't understand the basics of what they are reciting, and don't have to study it later in life with many responsibilitites.  If the little girl in Mumbai can memorize both WFW, so can they - because it is pure memorization at this point, with some understanding.

- One could teach 80% words; and they may occur in Juz 'Amma; but what about all of the other words in the surah that are not in the list?

- I am focusing on word recognition and pronunciation (and introducing the meaning) from Surah al-Fatihah, Surah al-Naas to Surah al-Mujaadilah; and the more we progress the less new words they will learn, it is a matter of building up the vocabulary.  

- in the famous IQRA series below, each lesson is based on a surah, and includes a list of the vocabulary in the surah, with translation; and i am just doing the same in a flaschard format on the doman method schedule:

example of vocabulary list > http://www.iqra.org/Inside/347_pg3.htm

Short Surahs (Textbook)    
http://www.iqra.org/index/itemdesc.asp?ic=310

Juz' Amma:30, For the Classroom (vol 1)    
http://www.iqra.org/index/itemdesc.asp?ic=347&eq=&Tp=

Juz' Amma: 30, For the Classroom (vol 2)    
http://www.iqra.org/index/itemdesc.asp?ic=350&eq=&Tp=

- my frustration and anxiety is due to wishing i could create the materials faster they are able to memorize, because learning is accelerated when more are senses used (visual/auditory/tactile/etc.).  i called the institutes and asked them about all of this - because I have noticed that they recite more accurately and clearer when I show them the flashcards, to spell-read the words, then use the WFW recitation software on houseofquran.com for the steps of couplets/phrases/sentences (that I will spell-read for them, and let them listen to the sheikh pronounce it; and which aids in memorizing the surah; yet they learn/memorize faster than I can create the materials!  and i don't want them to wait for me :(  and I was comforted when she used the example of when children learn nursery rhymes that parents and teachers sing to them by listening and singing them, and then the parent will use the doman method to make a "book" with the lyrics so that the child can visually read them; and I realized it is the same for the Qur'an; but I was able to teach the girls to read Qur'anic Arabic early, to help them use both visual and auditory learning at the same time.  

- so, I will just keep creating the sets of words by surah as I can, using houseofquran.com for couplets/phrases/sentences; while continuing with teaching them via talqeen (listening and repeating) for memorization; and to help refine their pronunciation / review of their memorization visually, via the flashcards and ayat (gradually building up to a page of the mushaaf).

jazaaki alf alf khaira for listening.  :)  

p.s. would you please check this attached .ppt (and you can use it as a template if you like) for ayat 4 of surah al-ikhlaas - i can view it fine in .ppt, and as a slideshow; yet when i convert to jpeg's and upload into LR, ayah 4 tashkeel (also attached as jpeg) on top are cut off; and i even enlarged the vertical size of the text box several times, increased the paragraph line double space; and each time i re-save as jpeg, it is still cutting of the top in the jpeg?  i am unsure what to do now?  :confused: 


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on March 09, 2011, 08:10:51 AM
Salaam again,

Ok - all that makes sense aH!
 
I have had a look at the ppt - and see what you mean, but I don't know how to help! The only thing I could think of was to copy and paste from houseofquran directly into LR and then just type in the word box in English - I did a quick test and it works fine.  The word(s) will appear after the Arabic, in the same size, not below the picture as with your other files...


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on March 09, 2011, 08:17:38 AM
Also, you can't use the pointer function.

See attached.


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on March 09, 2011, 07:40:46 PM
JAK.  I see what you mean with the category file . . .i could also use Arabic text on the 1st flashcard, followed by the translation on the 2nd flashcard . . . but i like the little footnote, and it makes randomization easy; i could also just use the Arabic text from the Othmany doc as the text for the .ppt, and it won't cut off at all - that is the script that i use for the individual words, and it is fine . . . hmmmm . . . i also tried something  new today . . . by color coding the rules in the individual word flashcards for surah al-Qadr (red for medd, green for ghunnah, aqua blue for qalqalah) for illustrative purposes only (as i personally don't read/recite from a color-coded mushaaf; but think it is good a as a teaching reference only) . . . it helped to remind them of the rule; i also added the last word of each ayah with sukoon (to illustrate the difference between written/pronunciation for the last word of an ayah); and the houseofquran.com site is black ink only . . . and i am beginning to think that just making the individual words will be enough for juz 'amma; along with the HOQ.com; because they can follow along in the mushaaf after those two steps; and as much as i would love to make the Doman 5 steps for each surah, it is extremly time intensive and i can barely keep up with them for the individual words at this point and keep them moving along on a reasonable memorization schedule. . . maybe in the future i will do it; wa Allahu 'alim . . . jak :)


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on March 09, 2011, 10:20:58 PM
Hmm..can't view the fonts on the qadr file properly...

Out of interest, have you taught your girls the tajweed rules - such that they can recognise what a madd is etc?


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on March 09, 2011, 11:27:25 PM
. . . i will create a .cat file for you and upload it tomorrow, insha'Allah . . . yes, i teach them the rules and this is the beauty of al-Qai'dah al-Nooraneeyah, is that the tajweed rules are embedded in the lessons, and it is learned indirectly; and in both the Arabic and English editions, there is some color coding for medd, ghunnah, and qalqalah; and in the Juz 'Amma mushaaf and the last 3 ajza', there is color coding for these three rules only (but the colors are different than what I am using which is based on the Syrian Easy Quran publication:  http://www.easyquran.com/en/first.htm ) . . as I spell read the word, and words together, I point out the rule and explain that the individual word is written this way and it is pronounced in isolation this way; and the sound that it makes with applied tajweed rules for pronunciation sound like this. . . i make sure that they hold ghunnah for 2 counts; medd for 4 - 5 counts, apply the basic rules properly, because if they memorize it wrong now; it will be 10x harder to correct it later . . .

.. .for example, in Lesson 6, an exercise lesson, the word:

"jeem fathah alif medd = jaa/aaaa / hamza fathah = aa / pronounciation of "jaa/aaaa/a" . .

. . . so yes, they learn to recognize medd from the teaching methodology . . another example of a noon sakin & tanween rule:

"hamza fathah nuun sukoon = an / taa fathah = taa / pronunciation of an/ta (with ikhfaa applied) . . and i tell them the tajweed rule is noon sakin followed by taa = ikhfaa, and this is the sound . . . it is pre-tajweed training for them, and i really want them to learn/memorize the matn of tufaah al-atfaal, insha'Allah . . .

. . . how do you teach the tajweed rules? just as applied through recitation? . . . i tried this and when i spell-read and point out the rule, they pronounce clearer and more accurately every time, because they have the visual and the sound taught simulaneously . . . my method is Noorani taught via Doman method of teaching "facts" in a fun way :D  . . . alhamdulillah . . . and Sheikh Muhammad ar-Ra'ee, thinks it is very strange since i teach differently than he does, yet he is impressed with the results, masha'Allah . . . wa 'Allahu 'alim . . i just want to get them through the mushaaf, insha'Allah . . . ya Allah . . . and I thought converting Noorani was a challenge . . . may Allah give me the strength to finish what i have started, ameen . . .  :blush: 



 

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Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on March 10, 2011, 10:04:57 AM
Salaam

Yes I teach just by applying through recitation and aH Hammaad doesn't seem to have any problems at the moment.  This is how my last tajweed teacher taught us - purely through talqeen. Hammaad has always sat in my lessons since he was a baby so he is familiar with the method.  When we get to the stage of reading individual words I will try your method iA - important so they can progress to learning Quran independently iA.

Jk once again for all your input - its really useful mA.  Please keep updating us - I personally find it very useful, especially as your girls are only a few months older than my son.  May Allah make our children bearers of the Quran and grant them true understanding of His words Let Him open our hearts to His words, iA - like the boy talked about in this video iA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQZONHP-YII&feature=relmfu


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on March 10, 2011, 05:36:47 PM
wa 'alaikum as salaam . . . masha'Allah . . .you, masha'Allah, are more seasoned than I am at reciting . . . ameen to the nice du'a and jak for the video - really amazing . . .

. . i am attempting to create the Doman Steps 1 - 5 for Surah al-Fatihah in .ppt; and am having major issues with copying couplets/two words from the Othmany doc and pasting into .ppt as a text box. . .it is pasting with the words backwards, even though the text direction is set to right-to-left in both ms-word and .ppt ?!?  :blink: . . so, i decided to just copy the individual words as separate text boxes and place them side by side on the same line; not exactly as pretty, but will work for now  . . . i could also copy from ms-word and "paste > special > ms- word document object", as i did before, and it will display properly, with slightly smaller text, but it is an insignificant detail at this point . . .

so i am trying to figure out the words as 2 word couplets and 3 word phrases from a grammatical standpoint, because it is not my language? maybe i will just combine the doman step 2 and doman step 3 together (and just randomize the playback order of the .cat for couplets & phrases, to prevent 'playing with' the order of the ayat with missing words from the complete ayah; if that makes sense, because the object is to combine newly learned individual words that have a new meaning when combined together):

bismi Allahi
alhamdu lillah
rabbi alalaameena
arrahmaani arraheemi
maliki yawmi addeeni
iyaaki na3budu
wa iyaaka nast3aeenuh
ihdina as-siraatal al-mustaqeema
and so on . . .

and then just have step 4 sentences (ayah), one per page, and a book is made up of the sentences on seperate pages with images following (which we will not do) . . so, maybe have step 5 as the whole surah on one page, up to what the madinah mushaaf page displays? . . . what do you think? . . . and are you fluent in Arabic? . . . jak . . .  :blush:
 


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on March 10, 2011, 05:44:13 PM
hmmm - i thought emailed you the othmany doc and fonts, yes? if i have not completely lost my mind and confused you with someone else  :clown: , then it should display properly, because it is text from that doc . . . also, when i am looking at the .ppt on my computer, the font for the arabic text is "arial"??? (although i don't know why, considering the special fonts for the othmany doc where the text is copied from). . . .would you try to change the font in the downloaded .ppt to arial and see if that works for you? . . . and if you don't have the othmany doc and fonts, then please PM me your email address and i will forward the files for you!  :blush:  :blush: . and i will still upload the color coded cat file once i complete it - maybe in a day or so, insha'Allah . . .

Hmm..can't view the fonts on the qadr file properly...

Out of interest, have you taught your girls the tajweed rules - such that they can recognise what a madd is etc?


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on March 10, 2011, 08:59:57 PM
Salaam

Yes you have emailed the Othmany doc to me - my pc is in saudi so a bit limited with what I can do at the moment...don't worry about it.

Unfortunately not fluent in Arabic - pls make dua as I would love to be and one of the reasons for moving to Saudi is to facilitate that for the children iA.

What you have outlined for Fatihah sounds great iA.  For step 5 do you mean displaying a picture of the page from the mushaf? I think that's a great idea, mA.


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on March 10, 2011, 11:02:27 PM
wa 'alaikum as salaam . . . yeah - i thought so  lol  . . . ahh, then it is easy, just access your e-mail and re-download the zip file, install the fonts, and save the othmany .doc . . . and taa-daa! you have it on the computer you are currently using!  :D  . . .

. . . thus far, i have finished the surah al-fatihah .ppt words, couplets, phrases, sentences, and book/surah on one page (enlarged as much as possible); now i will "save as" another set for the color-coding of the tajweed rules; save each .ppt set (black and white; and colored sets) as jpegs and create a LR a .cat file for each step, and upload it and then you can see what i mean . . . and i don't have the soundclips for each step, only the ayah and surah; although, i suppose i could record the other steps, as an audio example of noorani method in doman format; i then have to create the daily sets/playlist schedule based on doman method of 5 sets of 5 cards for 5 days . . .but that takes a little time, because i will have to copy/paste each word (for each step) into an excel spreadsheet as a list, which filters into a schedule; one for each step, proof it, and then set it up in LR as playlists (like for Noorani Lesson 1 daily sets) . . . see what i mean about production time? . . .  :rolleyes: alhamdulillah for everything . . . insha'Allah, you will learn arabic and can teach us! . . .  


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on May 02, 2011, 11:13:57 AM
WASWRWB,

I just saw information about this program and am unable to download from either of these sites:

Badongo
http://takemyfile.com/433147
this is also an index of the books that are taught to kids in the course.



http://ia311011.us.archive.org/0/items/noorbian3/
u can choose the .exe u want and download them they include Arabic , math in Arabic as well as English,..
sorry for the too long story but i wish it could be of some help to the Muslim believers

It is obvious that for reading Qur'an, it is based on Noorani, and I am more interested in the other subjects, especially 'iraab.  Would you please help me find a way to view these online, for my husband to review, and then we can order them from Egypt, insha'Allah.  Also, what is the teaching methodology?  Is it rote memorization via songs?  or what exactly?

JAK
ASA
Ayesha

asawrawb ya jama'at al khayer
i have been longing to this for such a long time.look guys, i am a Muslim Egyptian mom of 2 kids noureldeen3 years and 3months and omar 8 months.i was an English lecturer and a house wife now.i started with nour English first since he was 30 months. at first i was not satisfied cos i was worried did he acquire what i taught him specially it was in a different language.by time he uttered his first word "FRUITS"when he saw it on a plate while i was washing the dishes lol
since then i kept doing flash cards sorted by category and showing him PPS or downloaded pdf and i pronounce them for him
also ,i think it was the most important thing the video i downloaded for him from the u tube .they were much fun for him and by the passage of time it became a part and parcel of his life and he kept saying after them .
he knows dozens of categories now alhamdulleh  الحمد لله
concerning Arabic ,i  was a little confused ,whether to teach him whole words as English or mere letters.
i started with letters,i also ,downloaded nourelbayan software and play it with him often .it is so interesting and i recommend u download it.
the alphabet section is illustrated with sound and pictures.
he knows all the letters now accompanied by  a word or more as an example..
i am working nowadays with his first letters by tshkeel or harakat.according to al tarika al bughdadeya u have to teach all the letters with the same haraka first (al fatha)and then kasra and then dammah and then start to combine 2 letters to make a word likeأب أ/و,and so on i have a lot of source if u want me to send them willingly i will.
u can download the nour el bayan program from these links.

RapidShare
http://takemyfile.com/433156

Big & Free
http://takemyfile.com/433151

SendSpace
http://takemyfile.com/433143

HotFile
http://takemyfile.com/433155

EnterUpload
http://takemyfile.com/433148

KewlShare
http://takemyfile.com/433153

FileSend
http://takemyfile.com/433150

Zshare
http://takemyfile.com/433144

Ifile
http://takemyfile.com/433141

2Shared
http://takemyfile.com/433146

DepositFiles
http://takemyfile.com/433152

EgoShare
http://takemyfile.com/433154

Badongo
http://takemyfile.com/433147
this is also an index of the books that are taught to kids in the course.



http://ia311011.us.archive.org/0/items/noorbian3/
u can choose the .exe u want and download them they include Arabic , math in Arabic as well as English,..
sorry for the too long story but i wish it could be of some help to the Muslim believers
و السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on May 02, 2011, 12:10:15 PM
ASA again . . .are these all of the books in the curriculum?

http://www.archive.org/details/noorbian3

JAK
ASA
Ayesha

WASWRWB,

I just saw information about this program and am unable to download from either of these sites:

Badongo
http://takemyfile.com/433147
this is also an index of the books that are taught to kids in the course.



http://ia311011.us.archive.org/0/items/noorbian3/
u can choose the .exe u want and download them they include Arabic , math in Arabic as well as English,..
sorry for the too long story but i wish it could be of some help to the Muslim believers

It is obvious that for reading Qur'an, it is based on Noorani, and I am more interested in the other subjects, especially 'iraab.  Would you please help me find a way to view these online, for my husband to review, and then we can order them from Egypt, insha'Allah.  Also, what is the teaching methodology?  Is it rote memorization via songs?  or what exactly?

JAK
ASA
Ayesha

asawrawb ya jama'at al khayer
i have been longing to this for such a long time.look guys, i am a Muslim Egyptian mom of 2 kids noureldeen3 years and 3months and omar 8 months.i was an English lecturer and a house wife now.i started with nour English first since he was 30 months. at first i was not satisfied cos i was worried did he acquire what i taught him specially it was in a different language.by time he uttered his first word "FRUITS"when he saw it on a plate while i was washing the dishes lol
since then i kept doing flash cards sorted by category and showing him PPS or downloaded pdf and i pronounce them for him
also ,i think it was the most important thing the video i downloaded for him from the u tube .they were much fun for him and by the passage of time it became a part and parcel of his life and he kept saying after them .
he knows dozens of categories now alhamdulleh  الحمد لله
concerning Arabic ,i  was a little confused ,whether to teach him whole words as English or mere letters.
i started with letters,i also ,downloaded nourelbayan software and play it with him often .it is so interesting and i recommend u download it.
the alphabet section is illustrated with sound and pictures.
he knows all the letters now accompanied by  a word or more as an example..
i am working nowadays with his first letters by tshkeel or harakat.according to al tarika al bughdadeya u have to teach all the letters with the same haraka first (al fatha)and then kasra and then dammah and then start to combine 2 letters to make a word likeأب أ/و,and so on i have a lot of source if u want me to send them willingly i will.
u can download the nour el bayan program from these links.

RapidShare
http://takemyfile.com/433156

Big & Free
http://takemyfile.com/433151

SendSpace
http://takemyfile.com/433143

HotFile
http://takemyfile.com/433155

EnterUpload
http://takemyfile.com/433148

KewlShare
http://takemyfile.com/433153

FileSend
http://takemyfile.com/433150

Zshare
http://takemyfile.com/433144

Ifile
http://takemyfile.com/433141

2Shared
http://takemyfile.com/433146

DepositFiles
http://takemyfile.com/433152

EgoShare
http://takemyfile.com/433154

Badongo
http://takemyfile.com/433147
this is also an index of the books that are taught to kids in the course.



http://ia311011.us.archive.org/0/items/noorbian3/
u can choose the .exe u want and download them they include Arabic , math in Arabic as well as English,..
sorry for the too long story but i wish it could be of some help to the Muslim believers
و السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on July 12, 2011, 12:53:01 PM
ASA . . . how is everyone? . . .ahamdulillah, the girls finished Noorani a few weeks ago, masha'Allah; and we are about to begin Surah 087 al-A'laa (pdf attached of individual words) . . . and I am beginning to make word-for-word translation of the du'a (image attached) . . . what is your progress?


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on July 12, 2011, 01:30:08 PM
Surah 087 al-A'laa as ayat (pdf) attached


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on July 16, 2011, 06:40:58 PM
Ws Ayesha.  Nice to hear how the girls are progressing - they are doing really well mA!

Here's an update on our progress:
Reading: I am using a slightly different qaida to noorani, but we are about to finish the equivalent of lesson 7 iA.  I have switched to teaching from the qaida (as opposed to LR) because I couldn't keep up with getting materials ready on time!  Hammaad seems to be picking things up fine, and I try to get him to read selected words form the mushaf for more practice.  Once we're through with Qaida I'd like to use to go through the suwar as you have done iA.  If you have any materials (LR files with words/ayat from suwar, even if they are without sound files) that you are happy to share - please let me know!  I tried downloading the A'laa pdf file but unfortuantely was unable to do so - the kalimah file looks excellent mA.

Memorisation: We should finish Mutaffifeen in the next few days iA.  We're aiming to complete juz amma by early September iA - and then spend some time revising the juz.


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on July 16, 2011, 11:31:19 PM
Ws Ayesha.  Nice to hear how the girls are progressing - they are doing really well mA!

Here's an update on our progress:
Reading: I am using a slightly different qaida to noorani, but we are about to finish the equivalent of lesson 7 iA.  I have switched to teaching from the qaida (as opposed to LR) because I couldn't keep up with getting materials ready on time!  Hammaad seems to be picking things up fine, and I try to get him to read selected words form the mushaf for more practice.  Once we're through with Qaida I'd like to use to go through the suwar as you have done iA.  If you have any materials (LR files with words/ayat from suwar, even if they are without sound files) that you are happy to share - please let me know!  I tried downloading the A'laa pdf file but unfortuantely was unable to do so - the kalimah file looks excellent mA.

Memorisation: We should finish Mutaffifeen in the next few days iA.  We're aiming to complete juz amma by early September iA - and then spend some time revising the juz.

wa 'alaikum as salaam. 

masha'Allah! it seems you are going faster than i did; and you are right - the materials preparation is time consuming!!!  for the suwar, i am just using .ppt, because i don't really have time to set it up on the doman scheudle in LR. 

alhamdulillah.  it is slowww - but it is progress with 1 line per day from the madinah mushaaf.  and i think my process is a little more involved:

- individual word flashcards for each day's lessons that we spell read and pronounce with the last tashkeel (and for the last word in an ayah, we pronounce it with tashkeel and with sukoon) + english translation

- ayah flashcards, that we spell read and pronounce with the last tashkeel and with sukoon + english translation

- http://www.houseofquran.com/qsys/quranteacher1.html > using "reciter: el-Gamal word-for-word recitation", of each individual word/couplet X 3; then each word consecutively for the ayah x 3; and then the ayah x 3; switch to Hussary and do stacking method of each ayah 10x and combined for 5x, until we learn the surah; and then repeat it 100 times over many days ( 5 - 10 )

- daily review recent lessons 088 @ 5; 089 @ 4; 090 @ 3; 091 @ 2; 092 - 098 @ 1 with Hussary tarteel (medium pace).

- daily review general lessons of 099 - 114 @ 1 with Hussary tarteel

- my husband thinks i should go faster; while i am focusing on individual word recognition/vocabulary; and tajweed (quality over quantity).  i will try to increase the lessons to 2 lines per day beginning with burooj and see how it goes (it would take 50 days to learn hizb 59 at this pace + 5 - 10 days per surah for repetitions; i am going to need to speed up Hussary's tarteel by about 15 - 20 % to save time in review) . . . and i hope that the WFW recitation recordings for Juz Tabaarak will done as well . . . i am wondering at what point, will they be able to spell-read by themselves? and then we can just use Hussary, insha'Allah . . .

jak!
asa
ayesha

 


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on July 19, 2011, 04:28:59 PM
Salaam.

Yes I think your process is way more detailed - we are doing memorisation separately, so it is quicker. Plus Hammaad learns from listening to me (bedtime) and whilst quran is playing in the background. Also, I'm going through qaida, but have not started flashing any words/ayahs yet - I intend to introduce translation at that stage, and hoping it will be another way of revising the juz too.

I agree that quality is important - but although we can do mudood, ikhfa, ghunnah etc, he struggles with some of the makhraj/sifat - I think this is because of his age and we will have to keep going over things until he can master it iA. His most common mistake is saying raa like laam - I know he knows it is a raa, but he struggles to say it.  Have started him on some weekly tajweed lessons with a friend which has made a real difference - maybe its nice for him just to have a different teacher!

As for reading independently, iA it will be soon!

Keep us in your duas iA.

K x


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on July 28, 2011, 06:01:06 AM
Salaam Ayesha,

A couple of questions for you, if I may:

1.  Have you tried this: http://www.furqaanbookstore.com/al-qaidah-an-noraniah-electronic-education-device.html ? Looking for reviews...

2.  What is the girls' revision shcedule like?  I have been trying to get through everything Hammaad knows in around a week - fine at the moment, but as he learns more it might just take too much time.  However, as he learns more the mistakes in revision are becoming more frequent (more places where the ayat are similar so he switches between surahs).  I intend to stop and ensure the entire juz is solid before we move on, but was just looking for ideas as I put his new schedule together.

JK!


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on August 10, 2011, 09:38:01 PM
Salaam Ayesha,

A couple of questions for you, if I may:

1.  Have you tried this: http://www.furqaanbookstore.com/al-qaidah-an-noraniah-electronic-education-device.html ? Looking for reviews...

2.  What is the girls' revision shcedule like?  I have been trying to get through everything Hammaad knows in around a week - fine at the moment, but as he learns more it might just take too much time.  However, as he learns more the mistakes in revision are becoming more frequent (more places where the ayat are similar so he switches between surahs).  I intend to stop and ensure the entire juz is solid before we move on, but was just looking for ideas as I put his new schedule together.

JK!

wa 'alaikum as salaam wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh.

I just saw this message as I was going to add video link updates, since I cannot upload them in the video section.   :tongue:

Hmmm.  I have not used that particular product, although it is the Arabic version of Noorani.  The English version I used has 2 - 3 soundclips for every written example, and the Arabic version for the CD has examples, while the CD-Rom software has every example, I am unsure about this particular product. 

For the girls' review schedule, it is as follows;

New lesson, Surah 086 al-Taariq, 1 line per day (and connecting to previous lessons) @ 10x (until we learn it; they actually finished it  few days ago, and we repeat it 10x - 20x per day [10x in the AM and 10x in the PM with Shk. Hussary tarteel], and fix mistakes as they occur; repeat until 100 repetitions are done, and then we will begin Surah 085 al-Burooj in 2 days @ 2 lines per day, insha'Allah; and you can see/hear they still need some work on the tajweed - I recorded this just a few moments ago:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheNooraniGirls?feature=mhee#p/u/5/YWGHE4WD4ew
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheNooraniGirls?feature=mhee#p/u/6/Fwu1j7JpH3w

Recent Review:
Surah 087 @ 5x
Surah 088 @ 4x
Surah 089 @ 3x
Surah 090 @ 2x
Surah 091 - 098 @1x

General Review:
Surah 099 - 114 @ 1x

I have them listen to and recite with Shk. Hussary (tarteel) for the new lesson, recent review, and general review; and it takes exactly 2 hours total, if they cooperate and there are no distractions, or it may take more time.   :rolleyes:   The schedule I use is a modified version of the Mauritanian Method: 

http://www.mahdara.com/aboutus.php
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?10435-Methods-of-Memorization-in-Mauritania
http://digital.library.ksu.edu.sa/paper1251.html

Bedtime:
Sheikh Minshawi tarteel CD 28/Juz 'Amma

How is it going with your children?  What do you do? 

JAK
ASA
Ayesha


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: bella on August 12, 2011, 04:12:23 PM
hello i have been following this thread with great interest . I am also trying to teach my kids arabic together with english and french . coming september few other friends would join , coming from mixed families of one arabic parent and one european . i want to make it fun interactive . i would appreciate any resources you can recommend . the problem following this thread i like to teach arabic but in non religious context . Arabic is a wonderful rich language and is not exclusive to reading the Koran . Ayesha Nicole you are doing great with your two girls .i wish i was that successful with mine . she is doing great reading english and french and understanding arabic and enjoying to be read to in arabic but not really at the reading stage . one reason for it is me not sure how to introduce it to her the written arabic being completely different than the spoken one she hears around her . it is kinda of two different languages . i even find myself sometimes when reading a book translating it to amiah to get her attention . can we talk about this please .your  advice is appreciated .
viv


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on September 05, 2011, 03:56:11 PM
Dear Viv,

How are you?  Let me think about it and I will come back to it soon.  At the moment, I have the following pressing issue as I am making individual flashcards for Qur'anic Suwar I am teaching the girls.  Let me know what you think.

* * *

BK87 - as salaam 'alaikum.  i need your advice, please.  deep sigh. I began teaching the girls Surah al-Inshiqaaq, ayat 1 - 5 today, alhamdulillah; when i realized something. i am teaching the individual words first, and then how to connect them with tajweed rules, but hamzatul wasl is giving me a challenge because an individual word may be technically spelled a certain way, "ٱنشَقَّتۡ" (technically it begins with hamzah + kasrah), but pronounced another way (with dhamma of preceeding word) due to tajweed rules. so, now i think i have to add a shaded "hamzah + vowel" on top of the beginning of each word with hamzatu wasl (that is only written in the Qur'an) due to script/writing rules . . .all of this because i want the girls (and myself) to recognize the correct spelling of individual words for dictionary/sarf/grammar later. uggghhhh.

please see attached ppt for individual flashcards and i adjusted the words the surah, and i think i will do this for the other suwar in Juz 'Amma as well.  :wacko:   i am also going to add a space in between the "wa" for 'and' or 'an oath' to show that it is actually two words, although they are written together.  what do you think?

and for the ayah cards, should, i also include the "shaded hamza + vowel" to show the actual/technical spelling of individual words?  ohhhhhhhhhhhh - what to do?  i need to get the final method down and adjust all of the other suwar for juz 'amma (for consistency) so i can upload them to the forums.  ya Rabb!  :wacko:


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on September 05, 2011, 04:18:38 PM
hello i have been following this thread with great interest . I am also trying to teach my kids arabic together with english and french . coming september few other friends would join , coming from mixed families of one arabic parent and one european . i want to make it fun interactive . i would appreciate any resources you can recommend . the problem following this thread i like to teach arabic but in non religious context . Arabic is a wonderful rich language and is not exclusive to reading the Koran . Ayesha Nicole you are doing great with your two girls .i wish i was that successful with mine . she is doing great reading english and french and understanding arabic and enjoying to be read to in arabic but not really at the reading stage . one reason for it is me not sure how to introduce it to her the written arabic being completely different than the spoken one she hears around her . it is kinda of two different languages . i even find myself sometimes when reading a book translating it to amiah to get her attention . can we talk about this please .your  advice is appreciated .
viv

Dear Viv,

Hmmm.  As you noted, the spoken language is somewhat different from the written language.  Is she able to read the alphabet and diacritical marks?  You could use a secular based qai'dah/reader for teaching the Arabic letters and shapes, vowels (short, long, dipthongs) and corresponding syllable sounds.  I used al-Qai'dah al-Nooraneeyah which was specifically created for teaching applied tajweed rules to sight reading and reciting Qur'an, but the concepts are basically the same for non-religious Arabic reading, although there is less of a need to be as accurate/specific in the pronunication rules. 

I also purchased these very simple Arabic books which are similar to the Doman method, that they love:

http://www.noorart.com/shop_category/Word-Word-Series

and more titles here: 

http://www.noorart.com/school_section/Arabic-Enrichment

http://www.noorart.com/school_section/Arabic-Curriculums

There are also many books here: 

and http://www.syraj.com/

Sometime ago, I purchased the dvd and book/audio cd set, of these nursery rhymes for them:  http://www.syraj.com/arnurhdvdfor.html

and am waiting to receive the Arabian Sinbad cartoons, which include flashcards and workbooks:  http://www.arabiansinbad.com/
 
I also try to teach them with Rosetta Stone (version 2) as they are interested in it.  Their father speaks to them in Arabic and reads to them some children's books that we have.  I have tried Arabic cartoons, but they don't really understand them and want to watch Sesame Street in English.   :rolleyes: 

So, I would start with an Arabic reader and then begin with small books (with tashkeel if possible).  In reply #5 of this thread, are links for the popular Egyptian program, Noor Bian (includes both Islamic and non-Islamic materials) - did you try it?  It is based on the Noorani "spell-reading" method for the Qur'an, and because it is a very strong teaching method, it works equally as well for any and all Arabic words (with tashkeel, until they are memorized in context).

Here are some books:
http://www.archive.org/details/noorbian3

When do the schools begin teaching Arabic formally there?  And how do they teach it?

~ Ayesha


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: bk87 on September 06, 2011, 11:33:13 AM
BK87 - as salaam 'alaikum.  i need your advice, please.  deep sigh. I began teaching the girls Surah al-Inshiqaaq, ayat 1 - 5 today, alhamdulillah; when i realized something. i am teaching the individual words first, and then how to connect them with tajweed rules, but hamzatul wasl is giving me a challenge because an individual word may be technically spelled a certain way, "ٱنشَقَّتۡ" (technically it begins with hamzah + kasrah), but pronounced another way (with dhamma of preceeding word) due to tajweed rules. so, now i think i have to add a shaded "hamzah + vowel" on top of the beginning of each word with hamzatu wasl (that is only written in the Qur'an) due to script/writing rules . . .all of this because i want the girls (and myself) to recognize the correct spelling of individual words for dictionary/sarf/grammar later. uggghhhh.

please see attached ppt for individual flashcards and i adjusted the words the surah, and i think i will do this for the other suwar in Juz 'Amma as well.  :wacko:   i am also going to add a space in between the "wa" for 'and' or 'an oath' to show that it is actually two words, although they are written together.  what do you think?

and for the ayah cards, should, i also include the "shaded hamza + vowel" to show the actual/technical spelling of individual words?  ohhhhhhhhhhhh - what to do?  i need to get the final method down and adjust all of the other suwar for juz 'amma (for consistency) so i can upload them to the forums.  ya Rabb!  :wacko:

Bismillaah

wa 'alaykis salaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu ukhtee al-kareemah

Hamzatul-wasl:

The shading method seems too confusing for me.  I would suggest the best way to do it is how it is done in this book:
(http://www.learningroots.com/new/components/com_virtuemart/show_image_in_imgtag.php?filename=Read_4de7a22c74464.jpg&newxsize=345&newysize=256&fileout=)

The first section of the book is similar to qaaidah nooraaniyyah, i.e. teaching the diacritic marks, pronunciation, etc.

Then the second part of the book is tajweed rules ...

(http://www.learningroots.com/new//images/timthumb.php?src=http://www.learningroots.com/new/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/read22.jpg&w=256&h=256)

The first section in this chapter teaches hamzatul wasl and its rules.  It shows different forms of how it appears in the qur'aan e.g. at the beginning (kasrah / fathah/ dhammah) or in the middle of an aayah.  If you make it a priority to create flash cards similar to these using examples from juz amma, and then teach them the surah, inshaa'Allaah they would be able to comprehend better how hamzatul wasl works and that will help them with their quraan reading inshaa'Allaah.

Wallaahu a'lam.

I can try help you if you like, then we can see if it works inshaa'Allaah.


Regarding the "waw", I think instead of the space, use the "/" in LR to change the colour so that the girls can see it is a separate word.

May Allaah increase all of our children in knowledge.  Aameen.

Wassalaaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatulllaahi Wa Barakaatuhu




Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on September 06, 2011, 04:23:44 PM
wa 'alaikum as salaam wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh.  :D

hmmm.  jazaaki Allahu khaira.  i did find this document online until i can find a local distributor that carries "read", although i can get "tajweed untangled":

http://bdislam.com/quran/tajweed/pdf/hamzahWasl.pdf

hmm - i just checked our distributors and i cannot get "read" here.   :( 

i teach them the rules in simple terms along with the name of the rules, as they occur (for noon sakin & tanween; meem sakin; medd; laam; raa, qalqalah), but when spell reading the individual words, i don't always know which tashkeel is supposed to be used when hamzat ul wasl is written.  it is assumed that we know it, but as non-arabic speakers, we don't know the words as vocabulary (knowing which words are nouns and which words are verbs to determine which tashkeel is to be used - they are too young to analyze all of this, even i don't know which words are nouns or verbs at this point!  :tongue: ), and i find it easier to teach them all of these little details now, instead of later; i think they will understand the reasoning behind WHY these occur later, but it easier to just tell them now what is the tashkeel (the word as it is spelled technically, although it is not always written and not always pronounced, in the mushaaf)  if that makes sense.  :P

also, i am creating the flashcards in .ppt, because LR won't allow me to create a footnote for the english word-for-word translation.  eventually, i hope to put it all into supermemo 15

http://www.super-memo.com/supermemo15.html

and just copy the word-for-word translation and grammatical information directly:

http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp

ya Rabb.  so much to do and so little time. 

ameen.  wa baraaka Allahu feek.  wa alaikum as salaam wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh.   


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on September 07, 2011, 02:34:09 PM
ASA

Am so excited, my son has now memorised Juz Amma, at the age of 3 years 10 months, ma sha Allah!

As for reading Quranic Arabic, we're working through the "Read" book mentioned in one of the previous posts - about to start the tajweed section iA.

Ayesha Nicole - thanks for your many, many useful posts and duas.

x


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on September 07, 2011, 04:04:41 PM
km276,

wow.  masha'Allah! tabaraaka Allah!  :yes:  well done!  what is your daily schedule and review?

the girls are currently learning Surah al Inshiqaaq, at a pace of 2 lines from the madinah mushaaf.  today, we learn ayat 9 - 13 (20 words with english translation, and how to connect the words with spell reading on the ayat cards + translation), insha'Allah.  and we will complete the surah in 3 more days, insha'Allah.   after we check their recitation, then we begin the 100 reps @ 10 - 20 reps per day, insha'Allah.  it is becoming easier as they build up their vocabulary and word recognition, alhamdulillah.  and i am happy to learn that shk. gamal is recording more word-for-word recitation soundclips for this excellent site:  http://www.houseofquran.com/qsys/quranteacher1.html that we use daily also.   :yes:

i wish i could get the "read" book in america, but it seems i will have to order the entire package from the uk:  http://www.learningroots.com/new/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=81

and you gals keep me enthused - especially when i begin to feel dizzy along this journey trying to figure it all out.   lol

xoxox
jak
asa
ayesha    :D


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: bk87 on September 08, 2011, 03:55:23 AM
Bismillaahir-Rahmaanir-Raheem

Assalaamu Alaykum Wa rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuhu

km276 - maashaa'Allaah!  its very encouraging and exciting to  hear the progress of your little one, may Allaah reward you for your efforts. 

At what age did your little one start recognising the letters.  My daughter can say most of them randomly but still does not recognise them at 16 months.

BaarakAllaahu feekum

Wassalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu

bk87


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on September 09, 2011, 01:34:06 PM
AA

Schedule: We aim for two lines a day, but to be honest in practice in doesn't work so strictly.  I recite to the kids at bedtime (current surah plus next couple of pages to come) and by the time we come to memorising the surah they already know a lot of the content, mA. We go over the surah, correcting at least two lines per day until the surah is learned.  For revision, I ask my son to recite the last surah he has learnt, and approximately 1/8th of the juz.  Reading schedule is more relaxed, a few lines from the book each day.  I wish I had time to create materials in LR, but sadly I don't.  Once we're through with the "Read" book, we'll work through juz amma, and I'm hoping it will be easy as he already knows the juz...if he is reciting and can't remember what comes next, I show him the text and most of the time he can tell what comes next...

@bk87.  I started teaching Arabic way after English - so I don't think he knew the alphabet until he was closer to two.  It seemed very slow at the beginning - both memorisation and reading, but after a while things just sort of clicked and the pace has really picked up.  Keep making dua - He is listening and will surely answer your prayers.


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on December 26, 2011, 03:27:17 AM
as salaam 'alaikum!

How is everyone?  We just completed learning Surah 079 al-Nazi'aat, and will begin learning Surah 078 al-Naba soon, insha'Allah. 

I also began creating an ayah sequencing activity for the girls, that enjoy for the puzzle-like challenge, especially because they tend to get bored with the repetitions:

http://forum.brillkids.com/aal'rby/ayat-sequencing/

I also recently had them trace Surah al-Fatihah, to the best of their abilities and they had fun with it.   So, I will begin printing out their lessons, with a font color of gray @ 25 - 30%, and they like to use colored pencils for tracing the words and ayah numbers. 

Once they complete Juz 'Amma, insha'Allah, then we will recite to the Sheikh for corrections, and then begin Juz Tabaarak.  Ohhh - and I get to make more flashcards.  :rolleyes:

What is the latest news with you all?  How is everyone? 

JAK
ASA
Ayesha


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on December 26, 2011, 04:58:52 PM
Ws wr wb Ayesha,

The ayah sequencing stuff looks excellent - really good idea mA, and I will definitely take a look at using these when we get to that stage...which we are quite far from right now!  Still working through the "Read" book, although we are almost done now.

We started at a hifz school in September.  The pace they set is much faster than I would have at home, and aH Hammaad will finish Juz Tabarak in the next few days iA.  He is nearly 4 years and 2 months old.  School holidays start next week for us, and we'll be away for about a month.  I'm planning on revision only to make sure it is solid enough and hopefully I will have more time to concentrate on his reading skills.


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on December 26, 2011, 05:47:42 PM
wa 'alaikum as salaam wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh,

Wow.  Fantastic!   :yes:   Masha'Allah.  Tabaaraka Allah!  What is the daily talqeen hifdh schedule and review set by the teachers?  And how do you review at home?  And do they memorize the last 3 ajza or 5 ajza, and then move on to 002 al-Baqara?  I am thinking that we will have the girls memorize to Ya Seen (7 ajza), and then start with 002 al-Baqara, insha'Allah.

We are now learning at a pace of 3 lines per day, at their insistence; and I was planning to increase from 2 lines to 3 lines for Hizb 58.  Ya Rabb.  I am doing the best I can, alhamdulilah for learning Noorani method, and I could not do it without the WFW recitation with Sheikh Gamal here:

http://www.houseofquran.com/qsys/quranteacher1.html

And my husband helps with review and corrections, alhamdulillah.  I personally am being challenged because I had planned on the girls going to Sheikh Sayyed after Ramadhan, and he take over from Juz 'Amma.  Yet I was really devastated when he, as our resident professional Egyptian Qari of 12 years, moved to another city right after Ramadhaan.  :(  I literally cried for three days! 

So, I am still making flashcards!   :D  And they get sooo bored with repetitions, so I created the ayah sequencing sets that they seem to enjoy.  I also recently had them try to trace Surah al-Fatihah with colored pencils.  I copy the text from:

King Fahd Glorious Quran Printing Complex, released "Quranic Font" with complete typed Data of Quran in MS Word file.

Its free Unicode based OTF Font, and complete typed Data you can distribute and forward it to anyone. Website link is;
http://fonts.qurancomplex.gov.sa/

For Direct Download OTF font Link
http://fonts.qurancomplex-dev.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/UthmanicHafs1-Ver08.zip

For Direct Download Word Data file
http://fonts.qurancomplex-dev.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Complete-Ver08.zip

into a new MS-Word document, enlarge the font size, and change the font color to gray @ 30% so it is light and they can easily trace over it, to the best of their abilities; at least until they can write it out themselves, insha'Allah.

Ya Rabb.  At times, I wish I could put them into a hifdh school, but the minimum age is 8 years old.  So, I do the best I can, insha'Allah.  Alhamdulillah for everything. 

I am also in the process of re-formatting the older flashcard sets for Juz 'Amma with WFW with English translation and the ayah cards to include the KFGQPC font, which is more stable than the other one that I had formatting issues with.  I am also including the "hamza + tashkeel" that is 'hiding behind' the hamzatul wasl (looks a little strange, but really helps with knowing the technical spelling of the word), and adding a space between "wa" (and/or an oath) and the next word, because it always joined together in writing, so they don't think it is included in the spelling of the actual word itself.   

And then I will move on to Juz Tabaarak, insha'Allah.   :rolleyes:   May Allah (swt) give me strength to get through this.  Ameen.  Please keep us in your du'as, and we will keep you and yours in ours, insha'Allah.   ;)



Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on December 27, 2011, 01:26:23 PM
Salaam Ayesha.

Have tried to jot down some notes on how they do things at the Quran School we attend here.  We go 5 days a week (3 hours/day), there are classes for mothers and children - so boys usually only go until they are 6 or 7.

Hifz schedule:

As an example, weeks schedule at the beginning of term:
Saturday Al Qalam, Ayah 48-52
Sunday Al Haqqah 1-7
Monday Haqqah 8-12
Tuesday Haqqah 13 -24
Wednesday Haqqah 25-27
Minimal revision of Juz Amma in school

They stepped up the pace towards the end of term though - Mursalat finished in 3 days, plus one day for repetition, and this was the previous weeks schedule (gearing up for exams):

Saturday Insan 6-12, revision of Jinn and Mulk, mothers asked to revise Naba, Naziat and Abasa
Sunday Insan 13 -22, revision muzzamil and qalam, mothers asked to revise takweer, infitar, mutaffifeen
Monday Insan 23 - 27 revision muddathir and haqqah, mothers asked to revise infitar, burooj, tariq
Tuesday Insaan  28-31 revision qiyamah and maarij, mothers asked to revise Ala, Gashiah, Fajr
Wednesday Mursalat 1-19 revision Nuh, mothers asked to revise Balad, shams, layl.

They memorise the last few ajzaa first - usually 5-6 I think.

Review at home - For hifz, the groundwork is done at school aH.  If I say the beginning of the ayah, he usually knows the rest so I mainly work on connecting the ayat, and play the relevant ayah for him.  Despite this, I am spending much more time on Quran than before - mainly revision. We go through the surah he is working on, the previous surah, one more from Juz Tabarak and some revision from Juz Amma.  The pace they set is much faster at the school- I would always wait until I was confident he knew the surah before moving on, but here they just go ahead.  I panicked a bit at the beginning, but with repetition Hammaad has managed to learn the suwar.  As I mentioned before I am planning to spend the next month doing revision only to make sure it is more solid.
(Am so glad I taught him to read early so we can concentrate on this! It is sometimes very frustrating - I had planned on homeschooling the English side of things, but after school and Quran revision, we dont manage much - practice some reading and writing and thats it!)

Am pleased with the way they teach though - Hammaad really enjoys school and loves his teacher.  Have sat in a class before, and this is what I have seen of the teaching method:
-talqeen, repeating after teacher
-emphasis on looking at how the teacher recites - when I sat in a class, the teacher went up close to the children so they could see her mouth and imitate
-some basic tajweed teaching - eg they show the makahrij when teaching the children letters of the alphabet
-the teacher wrote out the ayat they are learning on the board - I've noticed Hammaad is really keen to look in the mushaf more
-they explain the ayat (in Arabic, so not sure how much he understands!) but when I have been reviewing with him he sometimes shows one finger for wahid, or shakes his head as in dont do this! 
- Aside from Quran they teach the children to write the Arabic letters and numbers, basic stuff really.  The children in his class are mostly 5 year olds, under 10 students.

Al Hamdullillah, have made a lot of dua for a suitable teacher and programme like this, this is all from Him alone.  I ask that the children continue to learn and retain what they have already learned and develop a real love and understanding of the Quran.  Please continue to remember us in your duas and we will of course be remembering you.





Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: bk87 on February 22, 2012, 12:51:19 PM
Bismillaah

Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuhu

Maashaa'Allaah, its so lovely hearing the progress of your kids.  I have a question for you,

My daughter has learned around 50% of her arabic alphabet now alhamdulillaah, so should I move on to the next chapter of joining letters or should I keep repeating the alphabet until she has mastered it?



Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: umm_amani on February 23, 2012, 10:06:46 PM
Assalaamu Alaikum dear all,

OK I have been slacking for a while as I was caught up with full time work - pregnancies and the like....Alhumdulillah I am not on maternity leave and keen to get back and make up for all the lost time insha'Allah (I know Allah is the best of planners....)

My first issue is I am short on time between my 3.5 year old and 2 month old and all their activites.  I also noted that there have been upgrades and all sorts so I am essentially starting again insha'Allah. PLEASE keep us in your dua and I am grateful for all your inspiring posts which I wil use to motivate us to do whatever we can....

If you have any tips re where I should start with my 3.5 year old or the 2 month old do let me know....

Ayesha Nicole - if you still need help with any of the recordings please let us know - I have my mum in law here till mid March and we are using her to record some stories etc too...

I am planning to post when I can so that I can keep ourselves motivated insha'Allah....

fee amanillah w jazakum Allah for all your efforts and inspiration...

Reshmi - Umm Amani w Adam


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on February 24, 2012, 02:30:32 PM
Bismillaah

Assalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuhu

Maashaa'Allaah, its so lovely hearing the progress of your kids.  I have a question for you,

My daughter has learned around 50% of her arabic alphabet now alhamdulillaah, so should I move on to the next chapter of joining letters or should I keep repeating the alphabet until she has mastered it?



wa 'alaikum as salaam wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh,

Because letters are the foundation for Qur'anic words, I would make sure they master it first, followed by forms / connecting and then tashkeel.  Are you using the Doman schedule to teach the letters, because it only takes 11 days.  Also, I used flashcards and would lay out two cards and ask them to find "baa" and if they found it - lots of hugs and kisses; and if not, then I would point to the correct letter "baa" and say "this is baa", and then ask, "where is taa?",  and they would automatically know which is which; and then lots of hugs and kisses;  I would make a mental note of which letter needs more review and then continue. 

I hope that helps. 

Baraaka Allahu feek.

as salaam 'alaikum,

Ayesha :)


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on February 24, 2012, 02:52:58 PM
Assalaamu Alaikum dear all,

OK I have been slacking for a while as I was caught up with full time work - pregnancies and the like....Alhumdulillah I am not on maternity leave and keen to get back and make up for all the lost time insha'Allah (I know Allah is the best of planners....)

My first issue is I am short on time between my 3.5 year old and 2 month old and all their activites.  I also noted that there have been upgrades and all sorts so I am essentially starting again insha'Allah. PLEASE keep us in your dua and I am grateful for all your inspiring posts which I wil use to motivate us to do whatever we can....

If you have any tips re where I should start with my 3.5 year old or the 2 month old do let me know....

Ayesha Nicole - if you still need help with any of the recordings please let us know - I have my mum in law here till mid March and we are using her to record some stories etc too...

I am planning to post when I can so that I can keep ourselves motivated insha'Allah....

fee amanillah w jazakum Allah for all your efforts and inspiration...

Reshmi - Umm Amani w Adam


wa 'alaikum as salaam wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh,

Welcome back!  :D  Alf alf mabrook on the latest edition, masha'Allah!  May Allah (swt) make yours, and our children, the coolness of our eyes, ameen!

Remember to figure out a routine/schedule that works for you and yours - and that is enjoyable.  If you can only do one set of 5 words per day, then it is fine - it is better than nothing.  When I feel overwhelmed with everything I wish I could do, but am unable due for various reasons, I am comforted when thinking of the hadith, "Rasulullah (SAW) said: “The most beloved of deeds to Allah are the most consistent of them, even if they are few.” [Muttafaqun ‘alaihi]"

If you would kindly remind me what your daughter learned, then perhaps I can be more specific; and for your son, there are downloads for babies:  http://forum.brillkids.com/downloads/?cat=69;pg=2;sortby=date;orderby=desc

Ohhh - that is an excellent idea!  I want to make a LR version of this Arabic reader and if she could record the soundclips that would be great! 

http://almashriq.hiof.no/lebanon/400/407/arabic-reader/index.html

and I will contact this organization to see if we can use their materials as well:

http://www.childrenslibrary.org/icdl/SimpleSearchCategory?langid=309

We can also do ahadith, du'a, etc.; but there are already soundclips done for those, alhamdulillah.

Look forward to hearing from you soon, bi ithni Allah.

wa iyaaki.  :)

as salaam 'alaikum,

Ayesha


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: zaku on February 27, 2012, 05:48:03 PM
Assalaamu Alaikum
my son is confusing fatha and kasrah when used together in a word. he read nicely words with fatha or kasrah only  :confused:
I have been explaining him the difference between fatha and kasrah but he still confusing. I dont know what to do i am very sad  :(  and need your help


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on February 27, 2012, 08:14:44 PM
Assalaamu Alaikum
my son is confusing fatha and kasrah when used together in a word. he read nicely words with fatha or kasrah only  :confused:
I have been explaining him the difference between fatha and kasrah but he still confusing. I dont know what to do i am very sad  :(  and need your help

wa 'alaikum as salaam wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh,

How did you teach him fathah and kasrah?  When my children had this issue, I just reviewed those lessons really well until they mastered it.  Do you have flashcards with each letter with each tashkeel?  They are easy to make if you don't - even hand write it out with index cards.  You could even color code the tashkeel to make it easier.  And then lay out two cards - one with fathah and one with kasrah and ask them to find "letter + kasrah" and if they choose the correct one, lots of hugs and kisses, and if they choose the wrong one, then show and say "this is [letter] with kasrah" and then ask them for the other card which they should pick out correctly; and then lots of hugs and kisses; and then ask them again for "letter + kasrah" and they will correctly choose it because it is the only card out; lots of hugs and kisses; and then do another set; keep this up for a little while and stop before they want to stop.  make it a game and then increase to three letters, etc.  start using the cards to spell the words that they are having issues with except mix up the letters, and then put them in the correct order of the word to show them how they appear next to each other.

I hope that helps.

JAK
ASA
Ayesha :)


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: zaku on February 28, 2012, 12:07:54 PM
Salaam Ayesha
I teach him fatha and kasrah by using a book,but sometimes I write on a note book or on white board to teach him. first learned all the letters then the letters with fatha after that letters with kasrah.... then damma and the letter formations. After learning letter formations we started three letter words with fatha. he got it very easily, but when we started with fatha and kasrah mixed together in a word he got confused. I dont have flash cards  :ohmy:  never used flash cars for arabic. Thanks for the ideas an help. I like the idear of color corded tashkeel. :)
jazakum Allah
salaam


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on February 28, 2012, 12:52:44 PM
Salaam Ayesha
I teach him fatha and kasrah by using a book,but sometimes I write on a note book or on white board to teach him. first learned all the letters then the letters with fatha after that letters with kasrah.... then damma and the letter formations. After learning letter formations we started three letter words with fatha. he got it very easily, but when we started with fatha and kasrah mixed together in a word he got confused. I dont have flash cards  :ohmy:  never used flash cars for arabic. Thanks for the ideas an help. I like the idear of color corded tashkeel. :)
jazakum Allah
salaam

wa 'alaikum as salaam,

Which book are you using?  Is it for Arabic?  or for tajweed?  if it is for tajweed, do you use professionally recorded soundclips to ensure proper pronunciation?  And what was/is your daily teaching schedule?  And how old is your son? 

It sounds as though either the lessons were too long and/or too fast, because when a student masters the base lessons of:  letter in isolation, forms of letters/connected, letter with each tashkeel (fathah, kasrah, dhammah, tanween), it prevents any confusion when reading three letter words with the tashkeel learned in the previous lessons.

Baraaka Allahu feek.

as salaam 'alaikum,

Ayesha


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: zaku on February 29, 2012, 06:58:41 PM
salaam
the book is for arabic reading by a maldivian sheikh. I am teaching him arabic everyday in the evening for about half an hour. my son is 4y and 9m old.

JAK
ASA


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on March 01, 2012, 01:20:05 AM
wa 'alaikum as salaam.

Hmmm - here is an image of some flashcards from Malaysia:

http://www.islamicparentingnetwork.com.my/_item?item_id=049001

Just go slow and keep it fun.   :clown:

wa iyaaki.

as salaam 'alaikum,

Ayesha


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on March 13, 2012, 05:16:47 PM
ASA Ayesha.

How are the girls progressing with their reading skills? Are they able to read independently?

Hammaad is now able to sight read the sections of Quran he has memorised, but independent reading needs a lot more work.  I am also slightly concerned about the accuracy of his reading skills - if he is sight reading, he often just looks at the letters and ignores the harakaat! At the moment, they teach by talqeen at his hifz school, I play the ayat for him at home and recite them for him, and I have him "read" the section he is memorising.   Would love for him to be able to read independently - as the hifz progresses, there will be less talqeen at school, yet I need to free up some of my time to give my daughter, Safiyya, time for her Quran and I have another baby on the way!

Any tips would be appreciated!

Thanks

Karishma


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on March 13, 2012, 06:10:07 PM
ASA Ayesha.

How are the girls progressing with their reading skills? Are they able to read independently?

Hammaad is now able to sight read the sections of Quran he has memorised, but independent reading needs a lot more work.  I am also slightly concerned about the accuracy of his reading skills - if he is sight reading, he often just looks at the letters and ignores the harakaat! At the moment, they teach by talqeen at his hifz school, I play the ayat for him at home and recite them for him, and I have him "read" the section he is memorising.   Would love for him to be able to read independently - as the hifz progresses, there will be less talqeen at school, yet I need to free up some of my time to give my daughter, Safiyya, time for her Quran and I have another baby on the way!

Any tips would be appreciated!

Thanks

Karishma

wa 'alaikum as salaam wa rahmatu Allah wa barakatuh,

Masha'Allah!  Great progress :)  And you will be very busy soon - may Allah (swt) make it easy for you, ameen. 

Alhamdulillah, they do read independently for Qur'an and Arabic books (with most tashkeel).  It is easily accomplished with the modified Noorani method that I use to teach them.  I am unsure what method the hifdh school used to teach him to sight read, which will determine when he will be able to read independently. 

With the Noorani method, when taught by a trained teacher (and not by someone just picking up the book and teaching from it without being trained how to teach each lesson), the student should spell-read every single word, phrase, and sentence/ayat in each lesson.  And most base lessons must be perfected before moving on to the next lesson, and the lessons with exercises are about 80 - 90% proficiency.  Once they complete the book with correct sight reading and recitation, they then move to the mushaaf, and begin spell-reading each ayat, and pronounce the last word with tashkeel and with sukoon, and all applied tajweed rules. However, they don't teach the individual words, and unless the student already knows vocabulary, each line looks like and sounds like one big word.  And they also don't teach any comprehension - it is basically sight reading and memorization only - which goes against what the field of linguistics knows when teaching foreign languages, that meaning aids in memorization.  It is alarming and sad to me that the Qur'anic/tajweed scholars are unaware of modern pedagogical methods for teaching language, and the result is that it produces parrots, with no comprehension - which is actually warned against by early generations. 

However, I found that it is far more effective and efficient to first teach each word in the ayat as in Noorani Lesson 6 (English edition) and pronounce each word with the last tashkeel and any applied tajweed rules within the word itself; and then show an ayat card with double spacing between each word, and have them spell read the connections, as in Noorani Lesson 17, and pronounce the last word in the ayat (or phrase if there is a waqf) with the last tashkeel and with sukoon.  And we also read the English translation for Hilali and Khan because it explains abstract concepts in a more concrete manner, although it is rather verbose.  As they get older, I will switch to Sahih International translation, insha'Allah.  I also created sequencing activities for them to arrange the ayat (the ayat number is covered) and the translation in the proper order - and they recite both the ayat with tajweed, and read aloud the translation to me.  They love this activity because it is hands on and a challenge for them, and with repetition for memorization, they get bored.   

So, yes, my children can spell-read and correctly pronounce most words independently, for both Qur'an and Arabic books with most tashkeel, and our focus in is more on quality of recitation and comprehension, than on quantity.  My husband and I strongly dislike the cramming methods that are used in hifdh schools of 'memorize in 2 years or less'.  So, our progress is slower, but far more comprehensive.

Currently, we are reviewing Juz 'Amma (with their right pointer finger and reciting aloud) daily, along with one page worth of sequencing sets, and then they will recite to a new teacher for mistakes soon.  And then I have to figure out the new schedule because I want to them to benefit from the Islamic Montessori Pre-School/KG classes this year and next year, insha'Allah. 

How did your son learn to sight read?  And what methods do they use in the school for teaching independent reading? 

I hope it helps.   :blush:


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on March 14, 2012, 05:52:19 PM
Salaam.

They don't teach them any reading as such at the school we attend - hifz is purely by talqeen (repetition) at this stage, and kids normally learn to read at regular schools here, which they start at age 6  (Hammaad is 4).  They do however, give them simple words to write (which my son reads) that are without tashkeel, so I think he sometimes assumes he doesn't need to pay attention to the tashkeel! I have taught him to read using a variety of methods - he is able to read single words/couplets fine, but we when we go to the mushaf it is not accurate enough.  Having thought about it a bit more, he had a similar problem with English before - he would sight read - which was not always accurate, now that his phonics is better it is as though something has clicked and he can read with accuracy.  I hope the same will happen with Arabic! I guess we will have to spend lots of time practicing in the summer, and I might try the ayah cards you mention.

How do the girls memorise? Do you still use the same technique? I would really like to have Hammaad reading independently to aid his hifz - the school we attend is not a traditional cramming school.  It is a tajweed school with classes for children of mothers at the school. Usually children would leave after completing Hammaads class (they are currently on the 28th juz) but because he is younger they have agreed to let him stay on - so for hifz I will need to do the talqeen for him at home...

JK for your input!

Karishma



Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on March 14, 2012, 06:12:40 PM
Salaam.

They don't teach them any reading as such at the school we attend - hifz is purely by talqeen (repetition) at this stage, and kids normally learn to read at regular schools here, which they start at age 6  (Hammaad is 4).  They do however, give them simple words to write (which my son reads) that are without tashkeel, so I think he sometimes assumes he doesn't need to pay attention to the tashkeel! I have taught him to read using a variety of methods - he is able to read single words/couplets fine, but we when we go to the mushaf it is not accurate enough.  Having thought about it a bit more, he had a similar problem with English before - he would sight read - which was not always accurate, now that his phonics is better it is as though something has clicked and he can read with accuracy.  I hope the same will happen with Arabic! I guess we will have to spend lots of time practicing in the summer, and I might try the ayah cards you mention.

How do the girls memorise? Do you still use the same technique? I would really like to have Hammaad reading independently to aid his hifz - the school we attend is not a traditional cramming school.  It is a tajweed school with classes for children of mothers at the school. Usually children would leave after completing Hammaads class (they are currently on the 28th juz) but because he is younger they have agreed to let him stay on - so for hifz I will need to do the talqeen for him at home...

JK for your input!

Karishma



wa 'alaikum as salaam.  Hmmm.  Talqeen works as it is part of the Islamic tradition, along with the fact that as humans, we learn to speak a language before learning to read or write it.  But the challenge that is specific to Qur'aan, is that this 'dialect' is no longer spoken, although it is preserved in the Qur'aan; we don't know the vocabulary.  When one is immersed in the language for 6 years before learning to 'sight read or recite', there is a natural learning of the tashkeel and pronunciation that is intuitive.  However, for a non-native speaker, that is absent and why I beleive that tashkeel are needed when learning to write.  Also when reciting words and/or phrases and/or ayat, there are tajweed rules that affect the pronunciation, although the writing is represented differently.  This is why I began with Noorani to teach them the visual and the aural simultaneously, along with translation. 

I would suggest that you get a copy of Noorani Qai'dah, and along with the talqeen that you are working on, just begin working through the book (on CD-Rom if possible) from the very beginning lesson.  I can explain to you how to teach him to ensure that he is learning it properly, and the CD-Rom with soundclips makes it easy for pronunciation; although it does not randomize the lessons, which I believe is essential to ensure that the student really knows the material and is not just memorizing the 'sounds' in order, but knows how to match the written symbol to the sound when they are tested out of order (I hope that makes sense.) 

There is also another CD-Rom program for Juz 'Amma that spell reads the last 10 or 12 suwar to understand the teaching method that they use to teach each ayah; but I first do the individual words and then connect as in the program.  It takes a little longer, but the benefits are more comprehensive.  And the student is expected to spell read the rest Juz Amma on their own.  With the next, Juz Tabaarak, they should be able to figure it out - is what we as teachers are told - but my experience says differently because there are 17,500 - 18,000 unique words in the Qur'aan, and they do not all occur in Juz 'Amma.  And even if one only learns the 80% words ( http://understandquran.com/resources/dictionaries/80-words.html ) there are still words in each ayat or suwar that are not covered, so you still have to learn each word and how to connect them with applied tajweed rules. 

So, I will create individual word flashcards for each surah in each Juz that I teach them, and I also include the 'tashkeel' that is 'hiding behind' each hamzatul wasl, because it is not pronounced during connecting, but is known to be there.  However, the children are too young to use the shortcut of 'determine if the word is a noun or a verb' and then look at the 3rd vowel to determine what the 1st tashkeel should be - if you are starting to recite on this word after pausing.  More details here:

http://heesbees.wordpress.com/tag/hamzatul-wasl/

http://heesbees.wordpress.com/2011/10/06/hamzatul-wasl-exceptions-we-take-for-granted/


I also use the word-by-word recitation feature on http://www.houseofquran.com to help with practicing pronunciation of the couplet/phrase connections and the ayah pronunciation.  They are working on recording Juz Tabaraak and will add additional suwar over time, insha'Allah.

I use a stacking method for sight reading to create a weak form of memorization:

Ayah 1 @ 10x
Ayah 2 @ 10x
Combine 1 & 2 @ 5x
Ayah 3 @ 10x
Combine 1 - 3 @ 5x
until the end of the surah.

They recite to their father for corrections, and then we begin repetitions of the entire surah until they can recite from memory without any hesitation; which for them is 100 reps spread over several days.  But right now, we are working on fixing recitation mistakes that have somehow (?) crept into Juz 'Amma.  :P  Alhamdulillah for everything.  And I am trying to figure out how to adjust their schedule for them to attend the afternoon school and full-time KG next year.  :/  I am thinking to focus on sight reading and the weak memorization for now.  Unsure what else to do at this point.  :/  Du'as, please. 

EDIT:  2:30 PM EST > I played around with LR before and you can copy text from houseofquran.com, and download the font, and create a category by ayat, and teach the ayat that way.  For example:

word 1 - Surah Fatihah

slide 2 - bismi

slide 3 - Allahi

slide 4 - bismi Allahi

slide 5 - ar-Rahmani

slide 6 - bismi Allahi ar-Rahmani

slide 7 - ar-Raheemi

slide 8 - bismi Allah ar-Rahmani ar-Raheemi (1). [and you include the ayah sound clip on this slide].

slide 9 - begin with the first word of the next ayat and continue to add a new word; playback in same order and manual forward.

OR

just create a category for each ayah, and include each individual word in sequential order, and then the last slide is the ayah with the soundclip.

I decided to use ppt because I want to include the English translation as a footnote for each word, and add the 'hiding tashkeel behind hamzatul wasl' because I want to teach the technical spelling of the word in isolation, which may be pronounced differently in connecting with tajweed rules, than it is technically spelled, as is the case with some verbs that are technically kasrah, but when connecting it may be pronounced as though it begins with dhammah. 


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on March 15, 2012, 01:36:44 PM
I think you are right and we just need to go the process from the beginning again - perhaps I can teach Safiyya at the same time iA! Would be great if you can explain how to teach it to him properly iA - I'll contact you by email iA.

re- mistakes in Juz Amma, I have found that despite a regular revision schedule, some mistakes have crept, particularly as he learns more Quran - but aH, Quran is ongoing and always will be iA.

Memorisation technique - so they do the reps with you or independently?

May Allah grant you (and the girls) barakah in your time so that you can achieve everything you want to and more iA.

JK once again

Karishma


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on March 15, 2012, 03:01:08 PM
Yes, she will learn from him.  :)  I am trained specifically for Noorani Qaidah books, and I did it with the Doman method format and schedule:

http://store.dar-us-salam.com/product/MC81.html

http://nooranilearningcenter.blogspot.com/

http://www.furqaanbookstore.com/children/al-qaidah-an-noraniah.html

http://furqangroup.com/

You can also just figure out how much they are capable of and do slightly less (to keep them always interested in learning more).  If you read Arabic, there are notes in the back of the blue book, and the English edition has some notes also.

If you are able, I would purchase a few copies (5) of the largest sized book, and use two of them to cut up each lesson/page into individual 'flashcards' and then you can use it as a hands on activity in conjunction with the software program.  If the book examples are too small, then you can purchase two sets of the poster sized pages and cut those up - which is more expensive, but are much larger than the book.  And to make each flashcard a little nicer, you could mount each example onto cardstock as a stiff backing and then laminate them for durability.

For the other three books, they are to be used as textbooks, one for each child and one for you as the teacher. 

For memorization, I do it with them because they are not disciplined enough to do it on their own.  And I am trying to figure out how to make it more fun, as it was in the beginning with learning Noorani - which were very short sessions, 3x per day; but with learning and memorization, it takes a lot of time and they become bored and lose interest.  I keep thinking about Ibn Khaldun and the instruction of children:

http://seekersguidance.org/blog/2010/03/ibn-khaldun-on-the-instruction-of-children-and-its-different-methods-from-his-muqaddima/

I think I will just complete Juz 'Amma with the sequencing sets, and then go back to 1 line per day - and as long as it is consistent, we will eventually get through the Qur'aan, insha'Allah; but only if they have an interest in it, which means shorter sessions.  Every parents desire is for their children to be haafidh, yet I have to remember the end goal is for them to sight-read, correctly recite with tajweed, with comprehension, and most important for contemplation and implementation.  Memorization will come naturally when one has the built the daily habit of reading, insha'Allah. 

Ya Rabb.  Please make our children the coolness of our eyes.  Ameen!  And please put barakah in our time and efforts, ameen!

Jazaaki Allahu khaira. 

 


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: km276 on March 16, 2012, 07:42:48 AM
Salaam and JK for the links - will look into it soon iA.

HIfz and children:
I tried very hard to make hifz "fun" for the kids, but at a certain point I needed Hammaad to just sit and concentrate for a session (we have lots of breaks but steadily session times have increased).  It was a struggle for a short time, but now he knows that we do Quran every single day and accepts it, aH. I hope that these concentration skills will help in other areas too. He looks forwards to rewards (Juz parties) and I think there is some satisfaction of performing well at school.

I too think the end goal is to comprehend and act on the Quran, and to develop a true love for it.  However, my view is that we should make the most of their memorisation capability whilst they are young and the hifz is fastest.  As the children grow, their comprehension will also be greater and I intend for them to continue studying the Quran in more depth after memorisation iA.  After all, Quranic studies don't ever stop - once it is memorised it still needs constant review. One also needs to comprehend and study tafseer and so on. 



Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on March 16, 2012, 02:54:36 PM
wa 'alaikum as salaam wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh,

It is interesting analysis that I disagreed with the first time I read it.  However, I changed my views over time in light of other evidence.  So, the more I come across the argument, "Children should memorize when young and understand when older" has become more and more unconvincable due to scientific findings in language acquisition, educational and developmental psychologist suggestions, along with observations from earlier generations in Islamic History.  Ibn Khaldun chastises those who use this ineffective and inefficient method for reasons explained in his book.  This is another example from Islamic History with the same point: 

"At the time of Abu Darda Quran was written on bones, leaves and pieces of leather. These days the Quran
is decorated so much that people don’t even want to touch it and read it because it looks so good! If
people were to see the Quran written on bones or other pieces, they would be quick to say that such a
thing is disrespect to the Quran. Yet people do not think that not following the Quran is disrespect to it.
We have lost track of what Quran should do for us and how we should study the Book of Allah (swt).
Allaah says:

‘(This is) a Book (the Qur'an) which We have sent down to you, full of blessings that they may
ponder over its Verses, and that men of understanding may remember.’ [Surah Saad: Verse 29] 

‘Do they not then think deeply in the Qur'an, or are their hearts locked up (from understanding it)?’
[Surah Muhammad: Verse 24] 

Allaah (swt) is not only asking us to recite the Quran, rather He is asking us to meditate and contemplate
over the Quran. We have to have ‘tatabbur’ (deep contemplation).

How did the Sahabah study the Quran? If we take the example of Abdullah ibn Umar (radiAllahu anhu), he
says: ‘It took me 14 years to finish memorizing Surah Baqarah.’ He (radiAllahu anhu) was so happy after
memorizing it, he said ‘and then I slaughtered a camel and I invited all the people to come.’ It was such an important
event for him that he made a day of celebration of behalf of it. We can memorize Quran now within a
year- how come it took Abdullah ibn Umar 14 years? The reason is, as narrated by one of the Tabieen, who
said, ‘I met with some of the Sahabah of the Rasul (saws) and they told me that the way they would study
Quran is that they would take ten verses and they would study these ten verses, they would study the
eemaan, the ilm, and the halal and haram in the verses, then memorize the verses and then move onto the
next ten verses. They would never move onto the next ten verses until they applied it. Not until it became
alive and a second nature to them. I was told this by many of the Sahabah, not just one.’

Imam Ahmed al Ghazali said, ‘I memorized Quran when I was 10 years old. Because of the mode I was in (of just
reciting without learning and understanding), when I grew up and was attempting to understand the Book of Allaah, I was
finding it very hard because I was programmed to just repeat the verses It took me a lot of effort and struggle until I was able
to break that cycle and start thinking and contemplating over the ayaat of Allaah (swt).’ He was talking about a
problem that we have in the modern education of teaching the whole Quran without any understanding.
He was talking about the common memorization that takes place amongst kids without any understanding.
We have to go through struggle in order to understand the Book of Allaah. One key that might help us is
that the Book of Allaah does not throw upon us gems; it does not offer us the benefit unless we are keen
for learning and receiving the guidance. This is something that is interesting about the Quran. Allaah (swt)
says:

‘And We send down from the Qur'an that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe (in
Islamic Monotheism and act on it), and it increases the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers) nothing
but loss.’ [Surah Isra: Verse 82]

Quran draws some people close and it draws some people further. If you want to benefit from Quran, it
will benefit you and if you do not then Allaah (swt) will honour His Book. This is part of the uniqueness of
Allaah. The point isn’t that we take 40 years to memorize Surah Baqarah but it is that we make sure we
implement what we memorize. The Prophet (saws) said, "In the last days (of the world) there will appear young
people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game,
their faith will not exceed their throats..." [Bukhari

an excerpt from an article:  http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/Understanding%20the%20Quran.pdf

And I keep wondering when, where, how and why, did this method of 'memorizing without a basic understanding' develop in Islamic History?  Part of the answer is in an enlightening paper of "Madrassah History" by Dr. Uzma, a respected Professor of Education: 

Islamic Education
A Brief History of Madrassas With
Comments on Curricula and Current Pedagogical Practices
http://www.uvm.edu/~envprog/madrassah/madrassah-history.pdf

I wish I could also find the history of the Maghrebi tradition, that Ibn Khaldun noted so long ago, but will have to look for someone to help me with that, insha'Allah.  I have many more examples such as these, if you are interested in them, but these will suffice for now.  Wa Allahu 'alim. 

We began our sessions as short and fun, and the time gradually increased, but it is too much now - and with them attending school, it is more of a challenge.  And as long as a student is interested in learning any subject, they will naturally develop a prolonged attention span - however, when it is forced (or less of a personal choice for the student) they will not and will gradually shun it.  This claim is also supported by a lot of scientific research in educational and developmental psychology, and one of the main reasons why the modern American schooling system is failing miserably, while on the other educational models such as the Montessori method, which guide the child to discover what they are interested in.   

So, for us, my focus has changed to a slower schedule that focuses more on building up vocabulary (word recognition/pronunciation/basic understanding) and correct recitation, and to encourage a love of learning Qur'an, while allowing them to choose it for themselves.  One example comes to mind is the world famous Qaria Hajjah Maria, who actually ran away (to an aunts house) when it came time for her daily evening Qur'aan classes, because her parents forced her to practice everyday, and when they allowed her to make it a choice for herself, is when she returned to it and became the top female reciter in the world, masha'Allah. 

http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200003/recited.from.the.heart.htm

For us, I can sense my children dread it and this their warning sign that I have to adapt to their needs and interests and without too many external rewards which are actually self defeating in the long term.  When I also discuss it with a friend who has a master's degree in educational psychology and is working on her Ph.D. in the same field, with am emphasis on 'Qur'anic Memorization', she gave the same advice.  So, for me at this particular point, I have tried - and failed - to ignore or change what educational and developmental psychologists have discovered and advised, for sake of keeping what is a essentially a cultural tradition with regard to tafeedh.  As depressing as it feels at times, I am hopeful that since our daily routine involves Qur'an for our nuclear family members and most of our closest extended family members, it is a positive model for them, insha'Allah.  And to address the issue of diglossia in Arabic, we also incorporate fushaah and 'ameeyah into our daily studies to make it more interesting and try to tie it back to the Qur'an somehow, but not always.   

For me - at this particular time - and perhaps you can sense it - is that I am very frustrated, and I hope we can continue with learning 3 lines per day and gradually increase to 5 and then half a page, which is the daily limit my husband is comfortable with.  But if not, then I am prepared to just learn 1 line per day minimum.  I just remember in the beginning, it was more enjoyable for all of us when the sessions were short.  It is the increasing review time and corrections that are the challenge.  So, I will also begin taking them to our neighbor who is working on her ijaazah, masha'Allah, and perhaps having another teacher will help ease the process.  I will continue with teach them the words and connecting and the meanings, and after they learn the surah, they can recite to her for corrections.  In the meantime, I am reminded of the hadith that the most beloved act to Allah, is one that may be small, yet is consistent.  Du'as, please.    :rolleyes:


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: justbeinmommy on June 21, 2012, 04:03:21 PM
Asaalamu alaikum wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuhu,

I just came across this post. I am struggling to teach my daughter the Arabic letters. I recently started teaching her English words using the doman method. As for Arabic, I decided to teach her the letters first. She doesn't seem interested at all, which makes me wonder if I am doing it wrongly. I don't know what to do with Arabic. As for English, she has learned a lot so far. I have put Arabic on hold for now until I figure out what to do.

From your posts It seems, I should start with the alphabets. After the alphabets, what do I do next?


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on June 21, 2012, 04:15:48 PM
wa 'alaikum as salaam wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh,

I used Noorani al-Qai'da via Doman method:

http://store.dar-us-salam.com/product/MC81.html

http://nooranilearningcenter.blogspot.com/

Have you read the latest book?

http://www.gentlerevolution.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=&Category_Code=Reading


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: justbeinmommy on June 21, 2012, 06:14:15 PM
I have not yet read the Doman book yet. How do you use the Noorani Al Qai'da via Doman?


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Ayesha Nicole on June 21, 2012, 06:17:14 PM
If I explain it, it won't make any sense, because you have to first read the Doman book. 

Baraaka Allahu feeki.

as salaam 'alaikum,

Ayesha


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: Bquranic on September 13, 2014, 09:26:31 AM
i appriciated the efforts


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: koran102 on October 17, 2014, 06:04:49 AM
http://quranschool.com/learn-quran-with-tajweed/  develop a custom Arabic courses for 6 to 12 years old kids and the Arabic lessons are based on each child's learning style and pace. We teach kids practical Arabic skills that are most useful in Quran Learning and reading because this is the holy book of allah subhanahu wa ta'ala that was sent down on the Heart of Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him and His family.


Title: Re: Progress Update
Post by: yusrab on February 28, 2015, 12:35:08 PM
Salaam sisters,

I have been reading your posts and am sooo interested in your teaching methods.
My name is Yusra, mother to 2 girls. I would really like to teach them quran and Arabic using the doman method. Is the Arabic curriculum in little reader good? Did you use it or just make your own flash cards at home? Do you have quran/Arabic files I can download straight into my little reader to use on it?

Can I ask where you live (if possible to do a meetup).. I read that one of you was moving to Riyadh? I used to live there until I got married, now im in Australia but regularly go back to visit my family... but I myself am from London and I have family there too :) I would love to meet like-minded sisters who do early learning with their children.

JazkAllah Khair,
Wasalaam,
Yusra