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We have good news! This evening my little guy and I a were spending time reading before bed. We were working on Reading Bear "pot" presentation. One of his favorite words is "plop". I wrote it on a white board and we sounded it out. Then I asked him to do it - which he did. Shocker. Then, we went back to reading bear and I asked him to sound out words. He's got all the words down from the first 5 presentations so this isn't a problem. I just wanted him to take apart the words and sound them out one letter at a time.
He did it. A light bulb went on.

I'm not sure where the problem was coming from but somewhere between the letter, the sound and forming a word he was having trouble and he's just been memorizing  - which is what we do with Little Reader. He could put the words together if I said the sounds but something wasn't registering. Anyway, we'd taken apart several words when he exclaimed, "I did it." We spent a good half hour pulling apart words and putting them together again. We were reading words he'd never seen before at least in LR and Reading Bear. Pretty sure we are going to keep at this game for at least a couple of weeks and move ahead in Reading Bear before I introduce readers. Now that I know the connection was made I want to solidify it before putting too much more on him. Whatever was going on he was frustrated. But tonight, he was so pleased with himself - it was wonderful to watch and so much fun!

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My son just turned two. I know that he can read at least 700 words. He occasionally will read words on his own. When he was younger he would happily show off and tell me what he knew. He is not so willing to do that anymore, though more willing than he used to be. I know he can read sentences if I put flash cards out but he shows no interest in doing so on his own.

The other day he asked me to read the "The Very Hungry Caterpillar". I said, "No you read it to mommy."

So he opened the book and read,"In the light of the moon a little egg lay leaf." So, I move my finger back to the parts he missed "on the" and he read them. Then I went slowly over each word and he read those one at a time. We have read this book enough times that everyone in our house has it memorized. But obviously he can also read it.

At this point do you put readers in front of your kids to read. I don't think he'd like that much. Or do  I just keep reading to him and let him come to it in his own time. He can read the words off the first 5 lessons of reading bear. If I use the setting where he has to sound out the words he will, buts asks to have it sounded out for him. And he will not tell me the word until the program asks him to.

My question I guess is how to move from a word reader to a reader without tears. I know how to do it with tears, I have a 17 year old who shed lots of them but was reading at about a 2 grade level before kindergarten. He doesn't remember that thankfully.

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James is 2.75 also.
He reads fairly fluently with words he knows. Which is enough for him to read simple books with context clues. He is still a sight word/whole word reader. And if I am honest,  I am also. I very seldom have to sound out words, but that is from many years or reading practice. Even so, when I come across a new word i do not phonetically sound it out. I break it into known chunks. Into is a word james had no issue reading for the first time because he sees two words he knows in it.
James can read the word cat because he knows that word cat. But he is able to read bat because it is like cat with a b or to him it is like at with a b. I am honestly not sure about his mental process.I have just noticed him doing this with certain words that he has not learnt. Tonight he was reading and he couldn't figure out the word red or hen. These should be easily decodeable but he has not mastered any other ed or en words.

James does know how to decode,  but it is a real struggle still and he loses all fluency when he has to read a lot of CVC easily decodable  words, or phonics based readers. And frankly he HATES decoding. It is a lot of work. And the "Mat sat. Sam sat." books bore him silly. 2 pages and he is done.

So for now we just stick to books with a lot of sight words and I help him fill in the gaps of words he does not know. We work on phonics on the side, we play reading bear and do isolated CVC words. I think in time it will click and those words that pop up will not be such a struggle and he will do fine. He just needs practice.

It is now not an option in our house, it is expected. James reads to me before every nap and before going to bed at night. Then I read to him. Right now he is reading me preschool prep readers. He loves them. He also skips small words. But we are slowing down and focusing on touching every word as we go. Initially I would put my finger under every word. Now he is doing it.

For a reluctant reader maybe there could be an option of something unpleasant or reading time. Like a choice between a nap now or reading time. Or a choice between clearing the table or reading time. Find something that you don't mind sacrificing.

Oh and maybe I should mention.... James went through a reluctant stage where he read a book for a mini m&m. I wouldn't recommend it. But it was motivation for him. And we had no issues phasing out the reward.

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I am wondering something for DadDude or others. There are studies that show we retain less on the back-lit screen of a computer. How much do you think this effects retention for things like LR and Reading Bear?

I'm from the old school and don't retain as much from screen than printed and bound. Perhaps this relates to tactile association of reading a book, or just habit (you have to hold a kindle)... also, when I'm really going at it, I'm writing my thoughts and questions in the margins as I go.... but I was a reader that was always behind in school and this "writing" could become more of a mental habit done in the mind vs. having to actually write - regardless this absolutely helps me retain and process and is effectively impossible to do on the screen.

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Thanks all for the input.

We're doing phonics with Reading Bear and just started Startfall. I'm not sure how I am going to approach this. I did pick up Native Reading at the library - it is my impression that the book could have been a pamphlet and probably not going to be a reference book. We do some phonics games but only casually and definitely not with a lot of pressure.

I am wondering something for DadDude or others. There are studies that show we retain less on the back-lit screen of a computer. How much do you think this effects retention for things like LR and Reading Bear?

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DadDude,

You know, there is a LR file called "What Cavers Do" if you show E. that file he will learn "entrances" and he can just say the whole thing.

Philip is much like E. in that it always depends on the mood. I haven't figured out what all goes into the mood, I just know there is one. With Philip I'm certain the lack of accuracy at times is entirely the issue of desire and not an issue of knowledge.

I've read what you wrote about doing it with your oldest. I am leaning in the direction of just letting him decide when he wants to and not making an issue out of lessons until he is 4 or 5. I don't want him spending more than 1.5 - 2  hours a day on lessons at this age. I do have to clarify that I don't consider things like Little Musician, Little Reader, and Reading Bear lessons as they are to him fun things we do. Soft Mozart is fun but it is clearly not in the same camp and we consider it a lesson and we treat it as such. As well as math instruction and soon violin. So, that will take up much of his lesson time and I'll just have to wait till he is ready. If we keep doing the programs it is not like he will be ten and not reading - it is an issue of a couple weeks or months. I still want him outside most of the day picking up bugs and eating dirt.

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Sonya, very interesting. E. (22 months) now has a 75% success rate, I'd say, for the short vowel presentations, when I ask him to say the words without any sounding-out. But it varies quite a bit. If he's really into it he can get almost all of them. If not, it's pointless. It's definitely effortful for him and I think he still doesn't have all of the letter sounds perfectly memorized, so we're still reviewing ABCs. Also, I know for a fact that he can sound out some new words, because he read the word "tin" and "Jim" without any sounding out which isn't in Reading Bear or in any other source, that I can recall, so I'm pretty sure he has not memorized those. But on the other hand he definitely has memorized some words, including some CVC words which he very reliably gets. Oh, and yesterday, he read the word "truck" off a "Truck Entrance" road sign without any help. I'm fairly sure he memorized that one from any of various videos and books.

I sometimes feel like I'm not doing all for E. that I should, but, well, I've got to be working full time...

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I taught my son phonics while he was learning with the whole word method.  He transitioned from whole word reading (started at 12 months) to reading phonetically at 17 months with no tears.  Sometimes I see Cayden is so excited he misses words here and there.  In the beginning I would have to go back and point at the words he missed but now he is doing that on his own. We would have a hooray for Cayden celebration after each sentence was read.  Which eventually transitioned into celebrations after each paragraph, page and now book.  He does not always like showing off that he can read and reads to himself often. 
I have a magnetic white board hanging that he loves with soft foam phonic magnets which he uses to make words, teach himself how to spell and make couplets. 
I would try to engage him in reading readers that have stories close to something he is really into.  Lately Cayden has taken a liking to the Little Pim panda and he has been pulling all his books with pandas in them.  Definitely keep reading to him as much as he lets you it seems like he is already a great reader and will be there in no time.  That is very impressive that he is reading all those lessons in Reading Bear. 

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