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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2014, 12:01:25 AM »

We would love to Skype. 

Four year old doing square roots. Who would have thought you could teach little kids these things? Have you done square roots with the blocks and play doh? I haven't taught them square roots yet but that looks like fun. "You can see in the video he went from what is under the cup to he needed a peg leg because a crocodile ate his leg and it was bleeding. It wasn't even two seconds......" I must have missed that! how funny!

How do you teach skip counting? We've singing songs and using the paper inserts that came with our blocks and making towers out of our blocks. Nobody has them all memorized yet. Not even me blush but we're having fun learning.

We've been using the book with the blocks but it takes forever just to get half way. We haven't finished it yet but I think we'll split it into days. I might put it on our tablet and read it to them as a bed times story without the blocks. It really is a cute book!

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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2014, 12:19:25 PM »

We have not done squares and playdough. We started to "build squares" almost immediately. How many 5 blocks does it take to make a square? What happens if we use 6 five blocks? It is not a square anymore. And how many two blocks to make a square? What happens if we use 4 two blocks?   They will figure out on their own that you need 2 two blocks, 3 three blocks, etc. to make squares. And then from there we moved into square roots. Which means that all sides are the same so we have to only count one side. That part is easy because they don't have to count, they can just look and know. 

For skip counting we have been watching School House Rock because I grew up with it. We use Grammar Rock and America Rock also.  Then I found this http://www.songsforchildren.org/multiplication-and-skip-counting-songs/ . I got Multiplication Motivation from the library, the songs are tolerable but for background music we have been listening to Victor Johnson. However, I am pretty sure that School House Rock has been the key.

I also have https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALHMVJIAHhM   This helps with learning the multiplication table straight, but doesn't help with skip counting and understanding the tables.  However, we have found this to be quick and fun. There are other kinds of things like this. The reason we chose this product is that there is no story, it is just a short rhyme. I didn't get the big book just the printables, flash cards (free) and songs from Teachers Pay Teachers. http://www.teacherspayteachers.com/Product/Multiplication-Printables-to-learn-the-Times-Tables-with-Times-To-Remember-373782    Songs and coloring pages together is $12 or something close to it.   

When everyone has blocks we will put together some international skype math. I am looking forward to it. If anyone else wants to join, just chime in.


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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2014, 11:25:59 PM »

So what exactly is in the package when you buy the blocks? I was on GeoffWhites site poking around and I still can't tell.
Are all of the pieces plastic or are some of them paper? If CR has a video detailing whats in the box, can someone link me, I can't find it.

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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2014, 12:51:32 AM »

http://www.crewtonramoneshouseofmath.com/Curriculum-Starter-Kit.html 

He has a video there that explains everything in the Crewton Ramone combo kit. Geoff White is not Mortensen, is another guy like Crewton Ramone only he is located in Asia somewhere. But those two are the only ones who can get you Mortensen stuff. Kinda strange I think, but that is likely why none of us have ever heard of Mortensen Math before. And I suspect the problems with Mortensen is why the guy left and founded Math-U-See.

All you NEED is a combo kit (big set of blocks) and a password to his site. And you don't even NEED at password to start as there are over 400 videos that are free. I would watch video and then get the parent/teacher training.

All the blocks are plastic. There is a set of fractions overlays which are clear plastic with hard cardstock that goes underneath - have those. And there is also another basic operations set which I don't have. Those are hard plastic as well. Nothing is paper but the books. And you don't need the books, if you can find them cheap do it. I read somewhere that is making his own but they aren't necessary as this is primarily verbal math for a long time.

Edit:    this is the product page with a video explaining the parts and pieces and how to order them: http://www.crewtonramoneshouseofmath.com/product-exchange.html



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« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2014, 01:56:48 AM »

Crewton just posted these on his blog and thought I'd post them here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_uHjHwWfZc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYbD6PJYCqs


He does't have those trays available, but I think they could be made on paper  with rectangles and a whole bunch of designs could be made. I know Mortensen doesn't have as many products as they used to.

EDIT: Does anyone know how to embed video. It used to be you just copy and pasted. Obviously that is no longer the case.


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« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2014, 04:42:34 AM »

Those look like they would be great for my 2 year old. It's hard to do math with her because my four year old wants to do it for her.

I saw your video on the Crewton Ramone facebook page and added you. I thought it would be better to give my skype information over that when everyone if ready.

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« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2014, 06:35:44 PM »

I've been watching this thread for a while. I'd love to join you on Skype smile

My kids prefer SchoolHouse Rock and Times to Remember. They have shorter text than the rest and for them, as non-native English speakers, these songs are very attractive and easier to remember. They're singing them daily to me smile) We started looking at Peter Weatherall videos on youtube too. Funny thing is that the youngest is looking at a book we have in Romanian about colors and he's singing Times to Remember songs  smile

Unlike Sonya, who knows firsthand different math methods parents talk here on BK forum or elsewhere, I only read about them in some posts. My experience is with the beginning Montessori lessons only. I've watched amazing Ella and other kids doing very good at math. Yet my kids are different, at least one of them that I'm particularly interested for his homeschooling. After reading studies and books on Montessori Method I understand better Mortensen Math and agree with its practicality. What's more, they use the senses and it's so attractive that they completely forget about computer and iPad.

The question that I had to ask after reading about more than one method and watching other was: WHAT do I want my kids to do with math? WHY do I want math for them? The answer became clear mainly after watching some of Crewton Ramone's videos. I want them to understand math. I didn't understand it myself in my studies, even though it's been one of my favorite subjects (apart from foreign languages). I had great teachers all the time. And I got lost on the way when algebra and trigonometry proved to be too much for me. I loved statistics in college - that's the moment I realized I need math in life and I'd better do something to fill the gaps I've had over time. Have to say it's the first time I'm relieved that I can really fill these gaps and pretty fast too.

Attached you see my handmade manipulatives. They are made of cardstock. Which means are not good for stacking. And kids stop pretty soon when they discover they can't be stacked. I need the plastic manipulatives.  Not just for the kids, but for myself! Thank God I have great friends in USA  inlove

Today we had the 3rd lesson and the last one I cut very fast 9 circles made of the same colored cardstock as the blocks. And we put them next to the blocks, in order. The little one, 2 years and 8 months, has a thing for the orange block (2) and recognizes few others too. They were in love from the first lesson. As I said, I need to help them stack. If I made them from cardboard they'd had been much more useful. I don't have the time to make them again. We'll play with what we have for a while.

Have to admit, in the first lesson I told them 'NO' three times  tongue  This is a habit I'm working on. Crewton Ramone has tons, really tons of sample lesson, advice in each lesson, and he has  A LOT OF PATIENCE and HUMOUR. I don't have his patience and humour, really I don't. He's set to making kids have fun while playing math.
Ever since Sonya told me about Crewton Ramone House of Math I've been watching videos, looking at how fast kids understand and how happy they are when they are playing. And he is right: that's what kids do all day, PLAY.

I have a special needs kid, one that uses more perception than logic. He touches manipulatives, looks at them, sees the color, the length etc. and that's how he is learning. Show him first and foremost the abstract and he'd rather learn a foreign language than that! I like this method - from concrete to abstract, from using your senses to working with symbols only. I suspect this is what works most with special needs kids. Crewton Ramone had succes with such kids and I'm not surprised cause he has the tools and is a great teacher.

Yes, I'm caught in this cause I believe it can work for my kids tongue . And I have a tight budget so I want to invest only in what I know would really work for my kids and for quite a long time. I'd also prefer a single method and or curriculum, not more.

When my husband (who is currently in China) was very impressed with the boys' first lesson, he said: "You raised them in a healthy environment, they are curious to learn." He had to trust me for the last 6 years  so my heart melted and I am so happy he told me that. Their education has been mostly on my shoulders all this time (he's been busy with work and studies, we barely see him... next year we have him back for good, yay!) and I've done my best to do what we both wanted. If he likes what I've been doing and how they develop it means I'm really on the right track. And his feedback is the  I need to move on.  inlove


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« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2014, 07:17:00 PM »

Those blocks are impressive!

I still say no too by accident. It's so hard to stop when I'm so used to saying it to them all day long  tongue
Luckily my kids haven't cared and my 4 year old likes to pretend he has an audience of kids correcting him "Nooo too big!". He says no to himself way more than I do and he thinks it's funny. 

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« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2014, 03:04:10 PM »

FLKL,

We are waiting for Andrea to get her blocks and then I really do want to start skype math. I don't think you have the right sonya in skype. I will PM you with my credentials.

If anyone wants to join us, I am open to take as many as will come.

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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2014, 07:09:51 PM »

FLKL
I'll PM you my id too. In few weeks we can start. smile

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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2014, 03:52:17 AM »

Would love to get on board Skype math. We started with the Primer Math u See workbook. It was going fine but lessons were only about 15 min or less. Learning about Crewton Ramone's from this post changed everything. We just spent a couple hours with play doh, trains and blocks. We did addends, some skip counting and squares - (5x5) blankets and (2x2) hats for the trains. When one twin saw the play doh blanket on his brother's train, he wanted to make one too. It was music to my ears. I made tunnels from construction paper to hide the blocks pretending they are trains and they will tell me which one is hiding in the tunnel. We made sheds for their Thomas and friends trains with addends. I was going to put away the play doh but they wanted to play some more so we kept going. When they wanted to feed the trains we made the plates from squared blocks. I have been pleasantly surprised we were incorporating math into imaginative play. To the toddler, he is mostly making props. I am not very organized and work best in an organic way so CR suits us. Maybe the only difference is that I think it is not too early to start with the abstract if the child is ready so I supplement with cards showing numbers eg. 2+3=5 and pictures of the matching blocks under each number.

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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2014, 06:05:19 AM »

McPherson,

Welcome on board!  smile
Thanks for the great ideas and sharing! My boys love trains and tunnels!

Andrea

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« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2014, 10:46:30 AM »

McPherson,

Can you show me pictures of this? I knew there was a way to get math into these little ones. Give good tools and a good idea and this community will take off and run with it.

I don't think CR thinks you shouldn't show it to them, but that you don't need to. Ray's is more don't show it to them. The idea of moving from the concrete to the abstract and switching back and forth makes sense to me as my kids are all familiar with numbers already. I am very fond of the whiteboard idea to just write and wipe and you can build with playdough on there too.

I am excited to see what we all come up with as we use this to teach our little ones.

Thanks for sharing!




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« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2014, 05:17:32 PM »


 I am very fond of the whiteboard idea to just write and wipe and you can build with playdough on there too.


Just so that others know to what this refers:

I'm planning on buying a large  melamine sheet at the hardware store this weekend and then cutting it to match the dimension of Cub's train table. It will be like a table-top that I can put on and take off. I will then use this with dry erase and we'll play math... except I can write things right there on the table top!

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« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2014, 06:11:09 PM »

Will they cut it for you? We have a train  table we haven't moved to the play room yet. I love this idea. Then you can build math towns too...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C03DwVWk6lI

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