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« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2010, 06:40:11 AM »

I go with number 4 also. My son has been reading for a while now, but I really didn't realize how much he knew until he started reading for other family members. I avoid testing my son and for the most part he prefers I read everything while he sits back and takes it in. He has an amazing memory and loves learning and reading new words. Every night he asks for "his words and so I write down a list of words, most of them being his first time seeing, and he reads them. My challenge now is figuring out where to go from here. He reads/speaks in any of the several languages he is learning when he feels like it, which happens to be everyday smile

As for math he doesn't show us much. From time to time, but not at all like reading. Nonetheless I continue with LR in addition to having completed Shichida and Doman. He enjoys it very much and so I continue doing it with him. I plan to begin two other math programs with him in the near future and continue to have fun as we have in the past. Since beginning the math program he continued to get the problem solving questions correct once we started the equations part and counts to 100. Some months ago we were shopping and he saw a shirt that had the number 91 on it and he said "Mom look that's the number 91"  Even though he doesn't show us much I do not get discouraged from teaching him, I stay motivated in knowing that he is taking it all in smile

Thanks for starting such an interesting post Trinity Papa! I thought about this a lot when my son started reading. You seem to have a lot on your plate in addition to all that you do with your daughter. She is very fortunate to have you as her dad and keep doing what you are doing. Remember to have fun and whenever possible take some time for yourself as well.

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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2010, 06:46:47 PM »

I actually dsagree with all the options given above although if forced to pick I would say option 4.

The reason I disagree is that the definition for reading is: To derive meaning from text.
A child is then only reading if 1. He knows what the word is
                                           2. It is meaningful to him

So therefore if you show a child the word "tiger" but they have never seen a tiger, heard a tiger, touched a tiger or at least seen/touched a tiger toy or have some association with a tiger and some meaning for them behind the word then regrdless whether they can tell you it says tiger r point to the correct word when shown a card of tiger, they are not reading. Of course if they get another meaning from the word tiger then it would be reading though no one else would be able to follow them (If for example you showed a child a spoon every time you showed them the word tiger they would associate the word tiger with the spoon and so attain meaning from the word - but the meaning would not be valid - so is that reading then??? I'm not sure.

My child showed she could read two weeks after I showed her her first flashcard - she was 12 months old and read the word "dog" While she could not even say the word dog (she said "doh") I knew she was reading it because she pointe to the word and then to out dog who was walking past and associated the two with each other.

My daughter is now 3 and she has started reading beginner readers. She could read these words on flashcards and could read them in books when I pointed them out and is now reading them in a wide variety of conetexts accurately and with meaning. She was reading sentences on flashacrds before age 2 and deriving meaning from that too and I know this because she was also speaking and would discuss what she had read too.

So for me the answer is: My child is reading when she/he can derive meaning from text - even when she reads the name of a shop an associates it with the food or toy she gets there and possibly even if she can only read that sign when it is written in the same form as the print above the shop - it holds meaning and it is text therefore it s reading.

Another example of context was when my daughter told her teacher: You forgot "Leon" off the star chart - she had watched the teacher write everyone's names on a new star chart and she (the teacher) had not been reading them while writing. My daughter had read every name and known which was missing and these were words/names I had not taught her to read. The meaning for her was that someone had been forgotten and she needed it fixed which is the only reason she showed she could read - in general, children if left (not tested) will only show they can read when it means something to them.

This compares well to speaking vs babbling - a baby is only said to be speaking when he utters a word that someone else understands (while it doesn't have to be said accurately it nees to have meaning - the baby needs to know what it is trying to say and be trying to convey something) else it is all just "babble"
  

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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2010, 04:42:29 PM »

To me, I think that being "able to read" is about being able to look at almost any printed material and reading it. I expect that my children will read with fluency any printer material that they come into contact with by the time they are 4 or 5 years old.

I plan to teach my infant to read with Doman style flashcards, labels on everything around the house and intergrate some phonics into that naturally. Plus read 3+ books a day, listening to books on tape and watching QUALITY learn to read programs such as Between the Lions, and other dvds/video programs. (Some of which I may produce myself before the child is born)

 I'm not 100% sure how to work out my reading program, I'm going to use the Doman method of flash cards and such, but I' think that I will teach a certain amount of phonetic patterns also.

I plan to use the Spalding Method of teaching to read through spelling (They teach using phonograms) when they're a little older, maybe 4+ not 100% sure.

Spalding teaches:
    * Phonemic awareness
    * Systematic phonics
    * High-frequency vocabulary
    * Word meanings and usages
    * Word parts
    * Grammar
    * Composition
    * Literary appreciation
    * Text structure
    * Fluency
    * Listening
    * Reading comprehension

I hope that my child will be able to read in 3 languages by 5 or 6 at the latest. (In English, Spanish and Arabic at least)


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