Progress Update

[Ayesha Nicole]

Ws Ayesha.  Nice to hear how the girls are progressing - they are doing really well mA!

Here's an update on our progress:
Reading: I am using a slightly different qaida to noorani, but we are about to finish the equivalent of lesson 7 iA.  I have switched to teaching from the qaida (as opposed to LR) because I couldn't keep up with getting materials ready on time!  Hammaad seems to be picking things up fine, and I try to get him to read selected words form the mushaf for more practice.  Once we're through with Qaida I'd like to use to go through the suwar as you have done iA.  If you have any materials (LR files with words/ayat from suwar, even if they are without sound files) that you are happy to share - please let me know!  I tried downloading the A'laa pdf file but unfortuantely was unable to do so - the kalimah file looks excellent mA.

Memorisation: We should finish Mutaffifeen in the next few days iA.  We're aiming to complete juz amma by early September iA - and then spend some time revising the juz.

wa 'alaikum as salaam. 

masha'Allah! it seems you are going faster than i did; and you are right - the materials preparation is time consuming!!!  for the suwar, i am just using .ppt, because i don't really have time to set it up on the doman scheudle in LR. 

alhamdulillah.  it is slowww - but it is progress with 1 line per day from the madinah mushaaf.  and i think my process is a little more involved:

- individual word flashcards for each day's lessons that we spell read and pronounce with the last tashkeel (and for the last word in an ayah, we pronounce it with tashkeel and with sukoon) + english translation

- ayah flashcards, that we spell read and pronounce with the last tashkeel and with sukoon + english translation

- http://www.houseofquran.com/qsys/quranteacher1.html > using "reciter: el-Gamal word-for-word recitation", of each individual word/couplet X 3; then each word consecutively for the ayah x 3; and then the ayah x 3; switch to Hussary and do stacking method of each ayah 10x and combined for 5x, until we learn the surah; and then repeat it 100 times over many days ( 5 - 10 )

- daily review recent lessons 088 @ 5; 089 @ 4; 090 @ 3; 091 @ 2; 092 - 098 @ 1 with Hussary tarteel (medium pace).

- daily review general lessons of 099 - 114 @ 1 with Hussary tarteel

- my husband thinks i should go faster; while i am focusing on individual word recognition/vocabulary; and tajweed (quality over quantity).  i will try to increase the lessons to 2 lines per day beginning with burooj and see how it goes (it would take 50 days to learn hizb 59 at this pace + 5 - 10 days per surah for repetitions; i am going to need to speed up Hussary's tarteel by about 15 - 20 % to save time in review) . . . and i hope that the WFW recitation recordings for Juz Tabaarak will done as well . . . i am wondering at what point, will they be able to spell-read by themselves? and then we can just use Hussary, insha'Allah . . .

jak!
asa
ayesha

 

[km276]

Salaam.

Yes I think your process is way more detailed - we are doing memorisation separately, so it is quicker. Plus Hammaad learns from listening to me (bedtime) and whilst quran is playing in the background. Also, I'm going through qaida, but have not started flashing any words/ayahs yet - I intend to introduce translation at that stage, and hoping it will be another way of revising the juz too.

I agree that quality is important - but although we can do mudood, ikhfa, ghunnah etc, he struggles with some of the makhraj/sifat - I think this is because of his age and we will have to keep going over things until he can master it iA. His most common mistake is saying raa like laam - I know he knows it is a raa, but he struggles to say it.  Have started him on some weekly tajweed lessons with a friend which has made a real difference - maybe its nice for him just to have a different teacher!

As for reading independently, iA it will be soon!

Keep us in your duas iA.

K x

[km276]

Salaam Ayesha,

A couple of questions for you, if I may:

1.  Have you tried this: http://www.furqaanbookstore.com/al-qaidah-an-noraniah-electronic-education-device.html ? Looking for reviews...

2.  What is the girls' revision shcedule like?  I have been trying to get through everything Hammaad knows in around a week - fine at the moment, but as he learns more it might just take too much time.  However, as he learns more the mistakes in revision are becoming more frequent (more places where the ayat are similar so he switches between surahs).  I intend to stop and ensure the entire juz is solid before we move on, but was just looking for ideas as I put his new schedule together.

JK!

[Ayesha Nicole]

Salaam Ayesha,

A couple of questions for you, if I may:

1.  Have you tried this: http://www.furqaanbookstore.com/al-qaidah-an-noraniah-electronic-education-device.html ? Looking for reviews...

2.  What is the girls' revision shcedule like?  I have been trying to get through everything Hammaad knows in around a week - fine at the moment, but as he learns more it might just take too much time.  However, as he learns more the mistakes in revision are becoming more frequent (more places where the ayat are similar so he switches between surahs).  I intend to stop and ensure the entire juz is solid before we move on, but was just looking for ideas as I put his new schedule together.

JK!

wa 'alaikum as salaam wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh.

I just saw this message as I was going to add video link updates, since I cannot upload them in the video section.   

Hmmm.  I have not used that particular product, although it is the Arabic version of Noorani.  The English version I used has 2 - 3 soundclips for every written example, and the Arabic version for the CD has examples, while the CD-Rom software has every example, I am unsure about this particular product. 

For the girls' review schedule, it is as follows;

New lesson, Surah 086 al-Taariq, 1 line per day (and connecting to previous lessons) @ 10x (until we learn it; they actually finished it  few days ago, and we repeat it 10x - 20x per day [10x in the AM and 10x in the PM with Shk. Hussary tarteel], and fix mistakes as they occur; repeat until 100 repetitions are done, and then we will begin Surah 085 al-Burooj in 2 days @ 2 lines per day, insha'Allah; and you can see/hear they still need some work on the tajweed - I recorded this just a few moments ago:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheNooraniGirls?feature=mhee#p/u/5/YWGHE4WD4ew
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheNooraniGirls?feature=mhee#p/u/6/Fwu1j7JpH3w

Recent Review:
Surah 087 @ 5x
Surah 088 @ 4x
Surah 089 @ 3x
Surah 090 @ 2x
Surah 091 - 098 @1x

General Review:
Surah 099 - 114 @ 1x

I have them listen to and recite with Shk. Hussary (tarteel) for the new lesson, recent review, and general review; and it takes exactly 2 hours total, if they cooperate and there are no distractions, or it may take more time.      The schedule I use is a modified version of the Mauritanian Method: 

http://www.mahdara.com/aboutus.php
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?10435-Methods-of-Memorization-in-Mauritania
http://digital.library.ksu.edu.sa/paper1251.html

Bedtime:
Sheikh Minshawi tarteel CD 28/Juz 'Amma

How is it going with your children?  What do you do? 

JAK
ASA
Ayesha

[bella]

hello i have been following this thread with great interest . I am also trying to teach my kids arabic together with english and french . coming september few other friends would join , coming from mixed families of one arabic parent and one european . i want to make it fun interactive . i would appreciate any resources you can recommend . the problem following this thread i like to teach arabic but in non religious context . Arabic is a wonderful rich language and is not exclusive to reading the Koran . Ayesha Nicole you are doing great with your two girls .i wish i was that successful with mine . she is doing great reading english and french and understanding arabic and enjoying to be read to in arabic but not really at the reading stage . one reason for it is me not sure how to introduce it to her the written arabic being completely different than the spoken one she hears around her . it is kinda of two different languages . i even find myself sometimes when reading a book translating it to amiah to get her attention . can we talk about this please .your  advice is appreciated .
viv

[Ayesha Nicole]

Dear Viv,

How are you?  Let me think about it and I will come back to it soon.  At the moment, I have the following pressing issue as I am making individual flashcards for Qur'anic Suwar I am teaching the girls.  Let me know what you think.

* * *

BK87 - as salaam 'alaikum.  i need your advice, please.  deep sigh. I began teaching the girls Surah al-Inshiqaaq, ayat 1 - 5 today, alhamdulillah; when i realized something. i am teaching the individual words first, and then how to connect them with tajweed rules, but hamzatul wasl is giving me a challenge because an individual word may be technically spelled a certain way, "ٱنشَقَّتۡ" (technically it begins with hamzah + kasrah), but pronounced another way (with dhamma of preceeding word) due to tajweed rules. so, now i think i have to add a shaded "hamzah + vowel" on top of the beginning of each word with hamzatu wasl (that is only written in the Qur'an) due to script/writing rules . . .all of this because i want the girls (and myself) to recognize the correct spelling of individual words for dictionary/sarf/grammar later. uggghhhh.

please see attached ppt for individual flashcards and i adjusted the words the surah, and i think i will do this for the other suwar in Juz 'Amma as well.     i am also going to add a space in between the "wa" for 'and' or 'an oath' to show that it is actually two words, although they are written together.  what do you think?

and for the ayah cards, should, i also include the "shaded hamza + vowel" to show the actual/technical spelling of individual words?  ohhhhhhhhhhhh - what to do?  i need to get the final method down and adjust all of the other suwar for juz 'amma (for consistency) so i can upload them to the forums.  ya Rabb! 

[Ayesha Nicole]

hello i have been following this thread with great interest . I am also trying to teach my kids arabic together with english and french . coming september few other friends would join , coming from mixed families of one arabic parent and one european . i want to make it fun interactive . i would appreciate any resources you can recommend . the problem following this thread i like to teach arabic but in non religious context . Arabic is a wonderful rich language and is not exclusive to reading the Koran . Ayesha Nicole you are doing great with your two girls .i wish i was that successful with mine . she is doing great reading english and french and understanding arabic and enjoying to be read to in arabic but not really at the reading stage . one reason for it is me not sure how to introduce it to her the written arabic being completely different than the spoken one she hears around her . it is kinda of two different languages . i even find myself sometimes when reading a book translating it to amiah to get her attention . can we talk about this please .your  advice is appreciated .
viv

Dear Viv,

Hmmm.  As you noted, the spoken language is somewhat different from the written language.  Is she able to read the alphabet and diacritical marks?  You could use a secular based qai'dah/reader for teaching the Arabic letters and shapes, vowels (short, long, dipthongs) and corresponding syllable sounds.  I used al-Qai'dah al-Nooraneeyah which was specifically created for teaching applied tajweed rules to sight reading and reciting Qur'an, but the concepts are basically the same for non-religious Arabic reading, although there is less of a need to be as accurate/specific in the pronunication rules. 

I also purchased these very simple Arabic books which are similar to the Doman method, that they love:

http://www.noorart.com/shop_category/Word-Word-Series

and more titles here: 

http://www.noorart.com/school_section/Arabic-Enrichment

http://www.noorart.com/school_section/Arabic-Curriculums

There are also many books here: 

and http://www.syraj.com/

Sometime ago, I purchased the dvd and book/audio cd set, of these nursery rhymes for them:  http://www.syraj.com/arnurhdvdfor.html

and am waiting to receive the Arabian Sinbad cartoons, which include flashcards and workbooks:  http://www.arabiansinbad.com/
 
I also try to teach them with Rosetta Stone (version 2) as they are interested in it.  Their father speaks to them in Arabic and reads to them some children's books that we have.  I have tried Arabic cartoons, but they don't really understand them and want to watch Sesame Street in English.    

So, I would start with an Arabic reader and then begin with small books (with tashkeel if possible).  In reply #5 of this thread, are links for the popular Egyptian program, Noor Bian (includes both Islamic and non-Islamic materials) - did you try it?  It is based on the Noorani "spell-reading" method for the Qur'an, and because it is a very strong teaching method, it works equally as well for any and all Arabic words (with tashkeel, until they are memorized in context).

Here are some books:
http://www.archive.org/details/noorbian3

When do the schools begin teaching Arabic formally there?  And how do they teach it?

~ Ayesha

[bk87]

BK87 - as salaam 'alaikum.  i need your advice, please.  deep sigh. I began teaching the girls Surah al-Inshiqaaq, ayat 1 - 5 today, alhamdulillah; when i realized something. i am teaching the individual words first, and then how to connect them with tajweed rules, but hamzatul wasl is giving me a challenge because an individual word may be technically spelled a certain way, "ٱنشَقَّتۡ" (technically it begins with hamzah + kasrah), but pronounced another way (with dhamma of preceeding word) due to tajweed rules. so, now i think i have to add a shaded "hamzah + vowel" on top of the beginning of each word with hamzatu wasl (that is only written in the Qur'an) due to script/writing rules . . .all of this because i want the girls (and myself) to recognize the correct spelling of individual words for dictionary/sarf/grammar later. uggghhhh.

please see attached ppt for individual flashcards and i adjusted the words the surah, and i think i will do this for the other suwar in Juz 'Amma as well.     i am also going to add a space in between the "wa" for 'and' or 'an oath' to show that it is actually two words, although they are written together.  what do you think?

and for the ayah cards, should, i also include the "shaded hamza + vowel" to show the actual/technical spelling of individual words?  ohhhhhhhhhhhh - what to do?  i need to get the final method down and adjust all of the other suwar for juz 'amma (for consistency) so i can upload them to the forums.  ya Rabb! 

Bismillaah

wa 'alaykis salaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu ukhtee al-kareemah

Hamzatul-wasl:

The shading method seems too confusing for me.  I would suggest the best way to do it is how it is done in this book:


The first section of the book is similar to qaaidah nooraaniyyah, i.e. teaching the diacritic marks, pronunciation, etc.

Then the second part of the book is tajweed rules ...



The first section in this chapter teaches hamzatul wasl and its rules.  It shows different forms of how it appears in the qur'aan e.g. at the beginning (kasrah / fathah/ dhammah) or in the middle of an aayah.  If you make it a priority to create flash cards similar to these using examples from juz amma, and then teach them the surah, inshaa'Allaah they would be able to comprehend better how hamzatul wasl works and that will help them with their quraan reading inshaa'Allaah.

Wallaahu a'lam.

I can try help you if you like, then we can see if it works inshaa'Allaah.


Regarding the "waw", I think instead of the space, use the "/" in LR to change the colour so that the girls can see it is a separate word.

May Allaah increase all of our children in knowledge.  Aameen.

Wassalaaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatulllaahi Wa Barakaatuhu

[Ayesha Nicole]

wa 'alaikum as salaam wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh. 

hmmm.  jazaaki Allahu khaira.  i did find this document online until i can find a local distributor that carries "read", although i can get "tajweed untangled":

http://bdislam.com/quran/tajweed/pdf/hamzahWasl.pdf

hmm - i just checked our distributors and i cannot get "read" here.    

i teach them the rules in simple terms along with the name of the rules, as they occur (for noon sakin & tanween; meem sakin; medd; laam; raa, qalqalah), but when spell reading the individual words, i don't always know which tashkeel is supposed to be used when hamzat ul wasl is written.  it is assumed that we know it, but as non-arabic speakers, we don't know the words as vocabulary (knowing which words are nouns and which words are verbs to determine which tashkeel is to be used - they are too young to analyze all of this, even i don't know which words are nouns or verbs at this point!  ), and i find it easier to teach them all of these little details now, instead of later; i think they will understand the reasoning behind WHY these occur later, but it easier to just tell them now what is the tashkeel (the word as it is spelled technically, although it is not always written and not always pronounced, in the mushaaf)  if that makes sense.  :P

also, i am creating the flashcards in .ppt, because LR won't allow me to create a footnote for the english word-for-word translation.  eventually, i hope to put it all into supermemo 15

http://www.super-memo.com/supermemo15.html

and just copy the word-for-word translation and grammatical information directly:

http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp

ya Rabb.  so much to do and so little time. 

ameen.  wa baraaka Allahu feek.  wa alaikum as salaam wa rahmatu Allahi wa barakatuh.   

[km276]

ASA

Am so excited, my son has now memorised Juz Amma, at the age of 3 years 10 months, ma sha Allah!

As for reading Quranic Arabic, we're working through the "Read" book mentioned in one of the previous posts - about to start the tajweed section iA.

Ayesha Nicole - thanks for your many, many useful posts and duas.

x

[Ayesha Nicole]

km276,

wow.  masha'Allah! tabaraaka Allah!    well done!  what is your daily schedule and review?

the girls are currently learning Surah al Inshiqaaq, at a pace of 2 lines from the madinah mushaaf.  today, we learn ayat 9 - 13 (20 words with english translation, and how to connect the words with spell reading on the ayat cards + translation), insha'Allah.  and we will complete the surah in 3 more days, insha'Allah.   after we check their recitation, then we begin the 100 reps @ 10 - 20 reps per day, insha'Allah.  it is becoming easier as they build up their vocabulary and word recognition, alhamdulillah.  and i am happy to learn that shk. gamal is recording more word-for-word recitation soundclips for this excellent site:  http://www.houseofquran.com/qsys/quranteacher1.html that we use daily also.   

i wish i could get the "read" book in america, but it seems i will have to order the entire package from the uk:  http://www.learningroots.com/new/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=81

and you gals keep me enthused - especially when i begin to feel dizzy along this journey trying to figure it all out.   

xoxox
jak
asa
ayesha   

[bk87]

Bismillaahir-Rahmaanir-Raheem

Assalaamu Alaykum Wa rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuhu

km276 - maashaa'Allaah!  its very encouraging and exciting to  hear the progress of your little one, may Allaah reward you for your efforts. 

At what age did your little one start recognising the letters.  My daughter can say most of them randomly but still does not recognise them at 16 months.

BaarakAllaahu feekum

Wassalaamu Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu

bk87

[km276]

AA

Schedule: We aim for two lines a day, but to be honest in practice in doesn't work so strictly.  I recite to the kids at bedtime (current surah plus next couple of pages to come) and by the time we come to memorising the surah they already know a lot of the content, mA. We go over the surah, correcting at least two lines per day until the surah is learned.  For revision, I ask my son to recite the last surah he has learnt, and approximately 1/8th of the juz.  Reading schedule is more relaxed, a few lines from the book each day.  I wish I had time to create materials in LR, but sadly I don't.  Once we're through with the "Read" book, we'll work through juz amma, and I'm hoping it will be easy as he already knows the juz...if he is reciting and can't remember what comes next, I show him the text and most of the time he can tell what comes next...

@bk87.  I started teaching Arabic way after English - so I don't think he knew the alphabet until he was closer to two.  It seemed very slow at the beginning - both memorisation and reading, but after a while things just sort of clicked and the pace has really picked up.  Keep making dua - He is listening and will surely answer your prayers.

[Ayesha Nicole]

as salaam 'alaikum!

How is everyone?  We just completed learning Surah 079 al-Nazi'aat, and will begin learning Surah 078 al-Naba soon, insha'Allah. 

I also began creating an ayah sequencing activity for the girls, that enjoy for the puzzle-like challenge, especially because they tend to get bored with the repetitions:

http://forum.brillkids.com/aal'rby/ayat-sequencing/

I also recently had them trace Surah al-Fatihah, to the best of their abilities and they had fun with it.   So, I will begin printing out their lessons, with a font color of gray @ 25 - 30%, and they like to use colored pencils for tracing the words and ayah numbers. 

Once they complete Juz 'Amma, insha'Allah, then we will recite to the Sheikh for corrections, and then begin Juz Tabaarak.  Ohhh - and I get to make more flashcards. 

What is the latest news with you all?  How is everyone? 

JAK
ASA
Ayesha

[km276]

Ws wr wb Ayesha,

The ayah sequencing stuff looks excellent - really good idea mA, and I will definitely take a look at using these when we get to that stage...which we are quite far from right now!  Still working through the "Read" book, although we are almost done now.

We started at a hifz school in September.  The pace they set is much faster than I would have at home, and aH Hammaad will finish Juz Tabarak in the next few days iA.  He is nearly 4 years and 2 months old.  School holidays start next week for us, and we'll be away for about a month.  I'm planning on revision only to make sure it is solid enough and hopefully I will have more time to concentrate on his reading skills.

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