Did you vaccinate your child?

[waterdreamer]

Mandy you did not do anything to your child. It's the government pressuring parents into thinking that if there child does not get this immunization there as good as dead. I wish that vaccines were not such a capital gain situation and that they were used primary in what they were intended to do, save lifes not make people rich.
Best of luck to you. Biorays NDF plus is a wonderful heavy metal detox we used with my son. But of course you'd have to talk to your naturopathic doctor about that as I'm not one. But ask about it :)S/he may have an even better suggestion

[Skylark]

There were a few reports in Med Journals ( and some in the press as well) lately, so I thought to share some of the information here.


In September 2009, news stories reported that researchers in Canada had found an increased risk of pandemic H1N1 (pH1N1) influenza in people who had previously been vaccinated against seasonal influenza.

In a school outbreak of pH1N1 in spring 2009, people with cough and fever were found to have received prior seasonal flu vaccination more often than those without.

Several public health agencies in Canada therefore undertook four additional studies during the summer of 2009 to investigate further. Taken together, the four studies included approximately 2,700 people with and without pH1N1.

The first of the studies found the seasonal vaccine to be associated with an increased risk of approximately 68 percent for pH1N1 disease.

The further 3 studies similarly found between 1.4 and 1.5 times increased likelihood of pH1N1 illness in people who had received the seasonal vaccine compared to those who had not.


In related news, the World Health Organization (WHO) has admitted that it made mistakes in its response to H1N1 swine flu.

WHO influenza expert Keiji Fukuda conceded that the six-phase system for declaring a pandemic was confusing, and resulted in widespread panic about an illness which proved to be even less deadly than the similarly overhyped bird flu.

Critics have pointed out WHO's links to the pharmaceutical industry. Many drug companies made huge profits when governments bought enormous stockpiles of H1N1 vaccine, much of which has gone unused.

Sources:
  Physorg April 6, 2010

  Reuters April 12, 2010

  PLoS Medicine April 6, 2010


Several epidemiologic investigations were conducted over the summer of 2009 in Canada, and the results are now in.

The finding?

Seasonal flu shot DID increase the risk of catching swine flu.

Four Additional Studies All Confirm the Initial Findings
The four studies, which were conducted by public health agencies in Canada, involved about 2,700 people in all, and each one had the same result: if you got the seasonal flu shot, you were more likely to get the swine flu. The researchers wrote in PLoS Medicine:

“ … Estimates from all four studies (which included about 1,200 laboratory-confirmed pH1N1 cases and 1,500 controls) showed that prior recipients of the 2008–09 TIV [seasonal flu shot] had approximately 1.4–2.5 times increased chances of developing pH1N1 illness that needed medical attention during the spring–summer of 2009 compared to people who had not received the TIV.”

The researchers stopped short of saying that a causal relationship had been established, saying instead that there could have been unidentified factors within the groups studied that accounted for the increase. They’ve recommended further studies to determine if the shot really was responsible, for instance, if the seasonal vaccine modified people’s immune systems in such a way that made them less able to fight off H1N1.

This latter explanation makes perfect sense.

Why Getting a Vaccine for One Disease Could Make You More Likely to Catch Another

Remember that ALL vaccines are immune suppressing, meaning they lower your immune functions. The chemicals and adjuvants in the vaccines depress your immune system; the virus present depress immune function, and the foreign DNA/RNA from animal tissues depress immunity -- that is the trade-off you are risking.

The traditionally held belief is that it is acceptable to exchange a small overall immune depression for immunity to one disease. However, this trade is not at all in your favor when you consider the fact that you’re trading a TOTAL immune system depression, which is your main defense against ALL known disease -- including millions of pathogens -- for a temporary immunity against just one disease, which in most cases is a non issue for you and your family..

This may explain why people who had recently been vaccinated with the seasonal flu shot were therefore more likely to fall ill with swine flu. There are other theories circulating as well. According to Deseret News:

“One hypothesis suggests seasonal flu vaccine preoccupies the cells that would otherwise produce antibodies against H1N1.

But, according to Dr. Rubinstein, the research shows that people who received the seasonal shot during the 2007-08 flu season remained vulnerable to swine flu well into 2009, an interval that should provide most immune systems ample restoration time.”

CBC News Canada published another theory:

“Theoretically, antibodies created by the immune system after exposure to bacteria or a virus can facilitate the entry of another strain of the virus or disease. The effect has been seen for other viral vaccinations but never for influenza, said Dr. Donald Low, chief microbiologist at Mount Sinai Hospital in Toronto.”

Whatever the mechanism may turn out to be, waiting for science to figure it out seems foolish given the heightened risk. Nonetheless, the World Health Organization, who has admitted many times over that they made major mistakes in their handling of the H1N1 pandemic, has gone ahead and recommended that H1N1 be included in upcoming seasonal flu vaccinations.


A Brief Reminder of How to Prevent the Flu Naturally

If you’re feeling skittish about going through flu season flu-shot-free, you should know that there are far safer, not to mention more effective, ways to prevent the flu.

Most people do not realize that vitamin D, unlike flu shots, is a proven method to keep yourself from catching an infectious disease.

According to the Irish Independent, R Edgar Hope Simpson was one of the first to discover the link between a deficiency in solar radiation and seasonal influenza. Then, in 2006, the journal Epidemiology and Infection published Dr. John Cannell’s paper Epidemic Influenza and Vitamin D, which presents the hypothesis that influenza is merely a symptom of vitamin D deficiency.

He followed this up with another study published in the Virology Journal in 2008.

His findings were again confirmed by another recent study -- the largest and most nationally representative of its kind to date -- that involved about 19,000 Americans.

It found that people with the lowest blood vitamin D levels reported having significantly more recent colds or cases of the flu. In conclusion, lead author Dr. Adit Ginde stated:

"The findings of our study support an important role for vitamin D in prevention of common respiratory infections, such as colds and the flu. Individuals with common lung diseases, such as asthma or emphysema, may be particularly susceptible to respiratory infections from vitamin D deficiency."

Add to this the fact that vitamin D has been shown to have a dramatic impact on nearly all chronic diseases, and you begin to see why optimizing your vitamin D levels may indeed be crucial for avoiding the flu in the first place, and/or avoiding serious and potentially deadly complications from the flu.

Please Note
While you can use vitamin D acutely to treat the infection by using 20,000-50,000 units a day for three days, it is FAR better to have your levels optimized BEFORE you are exposed to the flu. If you have been taking relatively larger doses of vitamin D (5,000 units a day or more) then there is very little likelihood that this high dose for three days would work and it is not suggested to try it.

Only use that dose if you have not been on regular doses of oral vitamin D or had healthy sun exposure.

Optimizing your vitamin D levels is one of the absolute best strategies for avoiding infections of ALL kinds, and vitamin D deficiency is likely the TRUE culprit behind the seasonality of the flu -- not the flu virus itself.

It makes much more sense to get your levels optimized than risk taking a shot that may increase your chances of coming down with another virus.

[nhockaday]

Fascinating, Skylark. Thanks for sharing. That's great info about vitamin D too.

[Mandy]

Well thanks so much for the heavy metal detox suggestion. I will put it to my dr. and see what she says. Right now we are on an elimination diet and well, it is TOUGH! My son has leaky gutt and I totally attribute that to the heavy metals in the vaccines. For those of you that are on the fence, I have an excel spreadsheet - very dry but totally factual of the side effects of the vaccines, each vaccine required, the amount of deaths caused by the vaccines, the amount caused by the disease, the last reported case etc. etc. Like I said dry and boring but factual. After you read how they make vaccines i.e. passing it through the liver of monkeys and using pig cells etc. most people refrain from putting it directly into the blood stream. It is amazing that vaccines in essence haven't changed from the original invention a few hundred years ago!!

[Skylark]

Mandy, I would like to have the spreadsheet, can you PM it to me. I have a lot of information, but it is good to have something precise, dry and factual 

Praying for your detox!

[bri320]

I do vaccinate my children (mostly). I am an attorney who represents petitioners in the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, which is a federally funded program paid for by per dose assessments on vaccines, i.e. we are self-insured as a nation for adverse side effects. Vaccine side effects are very rare statistically, but they do occur. Generally, they occur in people with a genetic predisposition.

[butterfly320]

Concern regarding autism is not the only reason parents choose not to vaccinate. There are many concerns regarding other side effects, and dangerous ingredients used in making vaccines. As a parent of a 15-month-old, I have decided to delay, and only give selective IZs based on my concerns. This is the right decision for our family

[zaku]

Please listen to this, food for thought. We suffered through this with my son.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/04/10/wakefield-interview.aspx

thanks for sharing

[Rivka]

I dont' want to be rude to anyone here, but I happen to be a vaccinology and influenza expert (I also have graduate training in immunology). The seasonal influenza vaccine would not provide an protection against the so called swine H1N1 influenza virus, but people who got the seasonal version may have felt a false sense of security (or they may have been part of a more at risk population to begin with), and therefore may not have been as careful. I admittedly did not read the articles quoted in an ealier post, but no, getting vaccinated for one flu doesn't make you more inherently susceptible to getting another, it might make you less likely to wash your hands as carefully.

On the general topic of vaccinating children, I would like to appeal to parents to look at pictures of folks affected with polio, tetanus, etc. While some people will, on rare occasions get bad reactions (not including autism, this link has been debunked a long time ago), one cannot compare the risks... and if you base your decision on the fact that some of these diseases have pretty much disappeared, the reason for their disappearance is widespread vaccination. If increasing numbers of people do not vaccinate, and the number of people who are immunosuppressed or immunodeficient in the general population keep increasing, these diseases will come back... so vaccinating is not just a matter of personal protection, it is a matter of public responsibility (what a concept, I know..). Vaccines are some of the safest, surest ways to protect oneself from terrible diseases.

btw, in case I need say this, I do not profit, either directly or indirectly, from vaccines. Needless to say my baby is getting vaccinated for all that is recommended and on time.

[waterdreamer]

I'm choosing not to reply to this link anymore because I know I will get to passionate about it. All I know is my child was effected and I have spent YEARS trying to correct the ill effects. No one can tell me otherwise because I have seen it was my own eyes. I agree immunizations are important, but the speed and timeing is too much for some(not all, but some) to handle.
I'm glad you found the detox info helpful Mandy. Keep me posted on your childs progress, you can PM
Monique

[kmum]

I do not vaccinate K for many reasons.  I do however try to use natural methods to improve her immunity.  We also see a natural Dr. & she still nurses occasionally.   I was told that my dd would have a lower immune system due to the fact that she has trisomy 21, however she has been really healthy, & I think not vaccinating has contributed to her good health.

[tatianna]

Mandy thanks so much for the link
long but so worth it
it really is all about a censorship of science
i hope more people wake up about this issue
it's are poor kids that pay the price
karma to you

[Maylem]

Such an emotive subject. I and my husband have decided not to vaccinate for many reasons.  I was wondering, those of you who decided not to, do you share this information with friends and family? What kind of reactions do you get?

We don't know whether to tell folk or just keep it to ourselves. Perhaps our son may be victimised in his early years as a result? Any thoughts?

[tatianna]

i find that the only people who make a big deal about it are doctors
but even then my girls doctor didn't say anything when we told him that we would not be vaccinating
i find if your polite but firm most people respect you choice

[2010BEBES]

... But I don't believe in taking rush vaccines or flooding our young childrens bodies with so many vaccines at once.

waterdreamer,
Here in Peru we heard about cases where they administer 3 vaccines at once and had problems so my niece recomended to vaccinate one by one just to be sure. The thing is that nowadays there are much many vaccines that when my kids were small.

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