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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2012, 08:12:44 PM »

PokerDad,

On the whole 'readiness' theory, I've pondered it a lot after reading Linda Sonna's 'Early Start Potty Training' book. Here is an excerpt from the book's foreword, written by pediatrician Barbara Gablehouse. You can preview the whole foreword on Amazon.com. Anyway, Dr Gablehouse says:

``What if toilet training was just another skill that infant learned? What if we thought of it like learning that the tub was for bathing, that the high chair was for eating, and the car seat was for travelling? We don't wait until our children ask or give clues that they are ready for a bath or for a ride in the car. We teach them that these activities, which are a part of everyone's daily life, occur in a specific place. We don't make a big deal out of these places: tubs, car seats, highchairs. Why in the world do we make  such a big deal about using the toilet? Why do we wait until the more difficult toddler years, when our children prefer familiar routines, familiar foods, familiar people, familiar places, to introduce a new activity - using the toilet? Why do we force our infants to learn to tolerate being wrapped in their own body waste? Not even our hamsters, puppies, or kittens tolerate that!

What if toilet training was approached as a skill, like rolling over, and walking? We can give our babies opportunities to practice toilet sitting, just like tummy time to practice rolling over or the floor time to practice crawling. The physiologic ability to begin to control the muscle involved in controlling urination and bowel movements should occur around five to nine months, around the time the baby can sit unsupportied. After that, it's just a matter of perfecting the new skill, which just takes a lot of practice. It is not magic, it's not psychology, and it's not a trick. It's just a motor skill that your baby needs to have an opportunity to practice'.' QUOTE ENDS.

I've pondered the above quote for a long time. I give my kid a bath each night; I don't wait for `bath taking readiness'. I brush his teeth (though he does not like it), I don't wait for 'teeth-brushing readiness'. I bet if there was a company trying to sell me something involved with dental care (like Proctor and Gamble wanted more sales of their products), they would tell me to wait for 'teeth-brushing readiness'; that I would scar my kid for life by doing it early, and that he would regress in his ability to brush his teeth later on in the future. Is that not what the toilet readiness 'experts' say? -  that by putting your kid on the potty when he is young, he would regress in his abilities later on, and you would have scarred him for life by putting him there before he exhibited 'readiness'. Oh well. So much for the concept of Brazelton's 'readiness'.



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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2012, 09:07:40 PM »

Excellent Nee.

Cub just turned 4 months (not 5 months like the quote says) and I can tell you that he's already developed some control over those muscles that control bowel movements (as my stories ought to indicate). When he wants to try, he knows how. The peeing is a bit more unconscious at this point though. I think it's a bit more subtle of an elimination.

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So in summary, you put the child on the potty
1) Immediately he wakes up from sleep (in the morning and after naps)
2)  After each meal

This is pretty much what I've been doing from day 1 week 3 (plus whenever I do a diaper change in general). Though on #2, I can't always wait until after the meal because frequently it comes during the meal (thus we were feeding and potting simultaneously a lot there for about 2 months), but even with this I'm noticing that I can sometimes feed him and THEN hit the potty and he'll have it all waiting to come out (LOL) - so in respects, he's learning how to sort of hold it (though "holding it" is not an EC concept at all, EC means you indicate that you need to go and then go where you're supposed to... the opposite of holding it). I'm making no distinction between holding it and purposely going when cued or asked.

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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2012, 10:28:20 AM »

Very interesting insight, Nee1, loved reading the excerpts you have quoted.

As far as ability to control those muscles -- here is an interesting piece of information.

When he had our first girl we lived in LA, infamous for its traffic. And I had to commute quite a bit due to attending number of births. Since my baby was nursing exclusively she commuted with me -- to prenatal appoitments, checking on the newborn babies and even to births  yes

Since she was not using diapers ( and using her miniature potty from day 14) I had to stop to put her on the potty when she needed to. Sometimes in LA traffic, just to get off the freeway at the closest exit in a rush hour can take quite a few minutes.  A number of times, it was a bit of a wait. I would usually talk to her, saying that I heard her and we are getting off, and she should not feel bad if she can not wait. She would wait in most cases!

Pretty unbelievable one can say, especially according to all the books on potty readiness and "ability to control those muscles"  yes

I think babies are capable of so much more then we can imagine, and they are eager to communicate and show it off. But also I think it is important to realize that sometimes they would not do things just because, for no apparent reason, but simply because they are stubborn, or want to make sure it was theor idea, or what not.

My second one for example -- he is VERY bright 2.3 years old. He speaks eloquently, knows his geometrical shapes, numbers, letters, words. But something happened somewhere sometime about the colors. I think my mom was trying to "show him off" at about 1.4 years old, when we had visitors over. Asking him over and over again different colors.  Ever since, whenever he is asked colors, he is reacting to it as if he is tested and purposely tells the most remote color to the one he is asked about "green" or "blue" when he is asked about smth pink, etc He knows them, but he is simply determined to say different color  nowink

Sometimes I wonder if our toddlers take a stand like that on the issues that are so important for us, parents. Potty training included. They are little people with their own reasoning and desire to do it, they love to be praised but they may be annoyed if we constantly expect something from them, and get disappointed if they dont "perform"

Just an observation...


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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2012, 06:20:37 AM »

Potty training is very much necessary to learn for small kids. You can use a potty training toys for your baby to sit on it at the time of potty so baby is habituated to sit on potty seat always.

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