Vaccination Causes Autism? [UPDATED - new US Court rulings]

[Mandabplus3]

WaterDreamer You click in to them because you have something REAL to offer. We appreciate it. So for those too scared to ask (I am sure their are many reading this but not posting) at what age will you vaccinate your next child? Most people seem to be saying age 3...
Oh and I would NEVER tell you you are wrong, yes you are the mother, you do know! I cannot even begin to imagine the anxiety you will feel walking in for your childs next needles.

[nee1]

Skylark,
Thank you so much for your insights. I appreciate it so much.

Waterdreamer,
I noticed on your blog you mentioned Bob Sear's 'The Vaccine Book'. At what age does he recommend the MMR? I know his recommendations differ from the 'standard' schedule. I've read his article titled 'Vaccines and Autism : What Can Parents Do During This Controvesy?' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-bob-sears/vaccines-and-autism-what_b_279745.html). I've seen his Alternative Vaccine Schedule in that article but for the MMR, it's not very clear at what age he recommends it. Probably, he's given much more detail in the book. Thanks.
 

[Elearning]

I am on the fence about Vaccination. Some thing simular happened to some one close to me. Just to sum everything up. He was a very smart an active baby. Reached every milestone before he was suppose to. At the time I was to young to understand but I did notice the difference. He went from saying many words, laughing, playing to barely cracking a simile or even noticing you at all. Eventually he said nothing. Years went by and not a word.    Loud noises sent him into a panic. He was a different person all together. We treated him no differently an at time got frustrated with him because we didnt know. Once our parents sat us down an told use he had Autism thing started to come together. From that day on issues like this opened my eyes. It wasnt until I turned 18 that I found out more on his issues relating to the vaccination.

 (It makes me wonder if he didnt have that vaccination would his life be different?  Would he be getting bullied or made fun of in school because hes autistic? Would people still be taking advantage of him knowing that with certain issues he fully doesnt know better?)


 Just do your research or what ever you feel is best. In reality you cant do much because if you plan on enrolling your child in school there vaccinations has to be up to date. 

[Skylark]

From Elearning: "In reality you cant do much because if you plan on enrolling your child in school there vaccinations has to be up to date."

Well, if you are in the USA, every state has vaccination exemption, the only difference in the paperwork and the reasons listed for qualifying. The school can not refuse admission to  unvaccinated child, if the parents sign the exemption paperwork.

There are similar laws in a number of other countries.

Even in strict and rigid legal climat of Eastern Europe ( and even during former Soviet Union times) there were a number of people I personally know who have not vaccinated with their children studying in schools of their choice.

Just look into it. Many of these regulations would be not known to admission personnel in the school, but you will be able to get it from their overseers.

[tlyoung]

"In reality you cant do much because if you plan on enrolling your child in school there vaccinations has to be up to date.  "

This is not true in every state. Here in Florida your child can attend public school without vaccinations is you fiil out a form at the department of health. They don't make is easy for you and the sure don't advertise it. The entire process took half a day but it was worth it. I believe in delayed spread out shots.

[Elearning]

   Skylark & tlyoung you are right. Thanks for catching that. My little one woke up so I was in a rush and didnt get to proof read or complete the paragraph. I was trying to figure out how to include a few links with in the paragraph. Links that would assist those who do not want to vaccinate there child. I just dont know how to do that just yet. Given this is my first day on the forum. While trying to do so i accidently submitted the post.

[Skylark]

No problem at all!! Welcome to the forums and let us know if you have any technical questions!

As far as links, you can simply copy and paste them 

[tlyoung]

Elearning, welcome to this site. I certainly understand most of us have toddler distractions.  I just wanted to let others know I got the waiver here in FL and they can try to get one in their state too. We really are a friendly group

[Chris1]

Why Does the Vaccine/Autism Controversy Live On?

This is an interesting read- http://discovermagazine.com/2009/jun/06-why-does-vaccine-autism-controversy-live-on/article_view?b_start:int=0&-C=

[Skylark]

With all the discussion, here is detailed article with some additional references to the original one here and video interview with Dr Wakefield, studies that replicated his original ones and some very interesting information on how  healthcare professionals can possibly reduce risk of vaccine damage. I thought it was worth the read.

http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/italian-court-rules-mmr-vaccine-caused-autism-why-is-this-story-blacked-out-of-the-us-media/

[starnstarz]

I don't believe  in vaccination. There are so many cases when vaccination developes into the actual desease or something else..

[Keturah144]

When you read the ingredients as to what goes into vaccinations then you wonder how can anyone in their right mind vaccinate their child or even want to put all that stuff into their tiny little bodies  mercury (an extremely toxic poison been legally injected into our children; Aluminium is toxic 'if a significant load exceeds the body's excretory capacity, the excess is deposited in various tissues, including bone, brain, liver, heart, spleen, and muscle. This accumulation causes morbidity and mortality through various mechanisms.' Formaldehyde also in vaccines is a fungicide and bactericide commonly used to preserve biological specimens. The major problems associated with using specimen preserved in formaldehyde is that the material is a confirmed carcinogen as well as a serious respiratory irritant. This is generally used as a preservative to embalm dead bodies.

Do you as a responsible mum or dad want to put these toxic chemicals into your babies and toddlers bodies in the name of 'prevention' - I would say a resounding "NO!" but a tthe end of the day the decision and choice is yours................

[sonya_post]

I have not vaccinated my son yet. He is just 2 years old. I did not vaccinate my 1st child until he was 7 - where we live you must give all or nothing. So, when he had not caught chicken pox by almost 8 years old, I decided to do it. I spread the vaccinations out, and never let them give more than one at a time, So he did not get a chicken pox, mmr, and dpt in one day. They do that here, and it never happens in nature.

I did a lot of research on this when my first was little and haven't followed up on it, but it seems to me that the problem with vaccinations isn't really autism, I mean that is terrible, but there are worse things. I have some transcripts from a symposium in the early 90's. These details are sketchy but as soon as I find the info I will scan it in and post it. The people attending this meeting were pro-vaccine, real scientists and doctors, virologists etc. The bottom line is that at the time there was no "safe" way to make a vaccine. The problem really is in how they are made. When you grow cultures on other species, it allows the genes of viruses/diseases to mutate and cross the species barrier. There was serious speculation about whether ebola and other stealth viruses are the product of how we produce vaccines. Things may have changed since the 90's and perhaps we make vaccinations differently, but I do recall reading the paper and wondering, "What the heck are we doing?" My neighbor, at the time, had a 21 y/o wheelchair bound son who was brain damaged by the DPT shot - it was proven and he was awarded money from the vaccination fund.

My son will be getting vaccinated, I'm just not sure when but it won't be the schedule the state guidelines recommend.

[littlesweetbean]

I believe most moms are just like me who got more confused every time by different opinions on this vaccinations topic. I didn't have other choice since my kid had to go to daycare which means we had to get him immuned before he could register for school. What I did after reading all kinds of info was to set my own rules-- 1) Try to delay vaccinations, eg half a year later than scheduled by the PD; 2) Don't let the kids take ANY vaccine when they don't feel well that day or those days. Kids don't lie. If they look tired or lose appetite etc, it means something is going on in their little body. It may not turn out to be a fever or something, but I won't take him to the doctor's for vaccination. Just wait. Get the vaccinations done later.

[KL]

Some updates on this front. 2 court cases in the US confirming autism caused by vaccination, and a new independent study confirming the same thing:

http://www.whiteoutpress.com/timeless/courts-quietly-confirm-mmr-vaccine-causes-autism/

http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2013/06/21/new-published-study-verifies-andrew-wakefields-research-on-autism-again-mmr-vaccine-causes-autism/

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