Moved - Discussing Merits/Legitimacy of Mid-Brain Activation

[Mandabplus3]

So many comments to comment on! 
Firstly I have used those glasses before. They work. They relax your heart and your mind and got me to a very deep alpha ( perhaps theta) state fairly quickly. I don't believe they help get you to that state quicker over time, anymore than any other techniques will ( the music, meditations...) however they do an excellent job of relaxing high stress people who otherwise would really stuggle to get into an alpha brain wave state. Hmmm that didn't make sence...I mean the point of the Glasses is to relax you and eventually I you should be able to wean of them and relax without them. I am just saying weaning of them isn't any easier than with other techniques.
TMT the course I did in alpha brain wave stuff ( sorry I never did find out what it was called!) played music for the entire 2-3 days. They played the alpha relaxation CDs which are exactly like the one that comes in the wink kit. There are many on the market. I have 2, the wink one is very good. They also used subliminal message tapes at times but that was during follow up classes. The subliminal message tapes work on giving messages under the music. They alter my brain wave state enough that I can feel when my kids accidentally put one on on the iPod.
I LOVE how fast the flash cards are flashed int hat video. It is inline with how fast the pilots had their images flashed. Incidentally if anyone is interested, I searched the App Store a while back and the pilots program has been copied ( sort of)  into an app. I was looking for photographic memory when I found it. Deciding it was an expensive gamble int he end???
I have been through most of the links, enjoying this. It makes a lot more sence of the WHY I learnt what i did and the how to enhance and replicate it in my children. I must say I totally believe this to be possible to replicate. Right up to the point of blindfolded reading! That one I just don't get. Super fast reading yes    blindfolded    what's the idea behind that one?
Are the Shichida books shipped FROM Australia? If so they may actually be within my budget! I was thinking they wouldn't be cheap. Would love to read some. Oh and I can on ship to you ( from Australia) if you like TMT.

[sonya_post]

BTW-

You can use Little Reader as a tachistoscope. You can set up your own files the autoforward can be set as low as 0 seconds. But I've found the most usable fast speed is .2. with a -.2 delay.

[PokerDad]

The "glasses" you're referring to is called a mind machine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_machine

I've been wanting to buy my own for a few years now. I used one in the past. I posted this to make a google search easier for you if you're interested in them.

You can achieve specific states with audio alone, but the glasses add an intense experience that if done well by the programmer is quite amazing. The good ones will also have audio input capability where you can play your own suggestions if you like or learning material, etc.

If someone is having trouble sleeping, you could try a Delta setting or Theta setting. I did this once while falling asleep but kept getting jolted back into consciousness with the very eerie feeling that someone else was in the room; this happened several times so I stopped that particular setting when going to sleep. My opinion is that I was effectively falling asleep and then the weirdness of the mind machine was triggering a flight or fight response - that response has only happened once I think since I've been married, and then once when at the hospital when Cub was born (I sat up and started punching the pillow until my wife said something to wake me up... ha ha).

So proceed, just with care though when using to fall asleep (and you'll still have to wake up to take the thing off)

[TeachingMyToddlers]

BTW-

You can use Little Reader as a tachistoscope. You can set up your own files the autoforward can be set as low as 0 seconds. But I've found the most usable fast speed is .2. with a -.2 delay.

Yes you can, but I don't think it's as fast as shown in the Shichida video which is what I am aiming for, or even half a second. My husband was able to program something one evening this week to flash the images this quickly but it lacks sound and ideally I am seeking simultaneous audio/visual input (even if it's so rapid you cannot understand it on the surface). I think he said you have to use flash to do that. In case anyone was wondering, you can watch an entire semester of LR on "picture only" (no sound) in just a couple minutes or something that that LOL. Alternatively, I can always use a metronome for sound input, they are regularly used at brain training centers. I also considered recording audio and speeding it up, it's just so labor intensive.

[TeachingMyToddlers]

blindfolded    what's the idea behind that one? ...

Are the Shichida books shipped FROM Australia? If so they may actually be within my budget! I was thinking they wouldn't be cheap. Would love to read some. Oh and I can on ship to you ( from Australia) if you like TMT.

The point is not to read blindfolded, the point is to know that the ability is there. It's just a way of knowing if the midbrain has been activated. Supposedly if someone can do it, then it's a way to know "for sure" it has been. It's just increasing the sensitivity enough to be in resonance with the world around you. Or so they say. Where the idea came from? Who knows, Shichida came up with all kinds of off the wall ideas! I think he had a mentor though, I have been trying to find out more about that.

The books on the Japanese link are shipped from Japan, the other one posted on the website may or may not be shipped from Australia. I'd contact them and ask. To order from Japan you do have to call and give your credit card number, but they are very polite and easy to work with.

[Kimba15]

I love this forum so much. I have the wink program and guess what is going on in the car tomorrow for the drive to school. That's right wink dvds

TMT if you want a book shipped out of Australia I will happily do it for you or any one else who wants stuff from here.

Yes I think the right brain/mid brain activation is very intriguing. Especially the Hado reading. I would love both my girls to be able to read books just by touching them I think the 1000 of hours saved on academic reading especially for yr 11, 12 and into uni would be just fantastic and leave so much more time for other interests and sport.

You are all such mentors to me.

Does diet also effect Mid-brain activation as well? I noticed that when I  eliminate dairy product from my diet I feel less foggy and able to think clearer as well as when I up my water intake? Do you think an excellent diet helps with mid brain activation?

Kimba

[Mandabplus3]

Hmmm might play with the speed settings on LR tomorrow. Haven't played with those much. If we flash the entire semester that fast someone had better get busy making more semesters for us! We would be through the whole library in a week! Wow!
Diet makes some difference. I find it really difficult to drop into alpha intentionally after eating fish and chips or steak and eggs for dinner. I can't really say much more but attention to your diet would be a good idea.

Does anyone know what happens long term with mid brain activated kids? I am curious if the skill stays or if its a use it or loose it skill. Even how useful these skills translate into school. I can see an advantage to photographic memory and reading super fast. Just wondering if there are any case studies to rd up on.

[cokers4life]

If you are looking to make slides flash faster with faster audio, you can create or take a powerpoint with audio file inserted.  Then you would save it as a windows media video file or .wmv .   Then open it up in Windows media player and you can use the play pack speed settings to let the audio and video play at a faster rate. I figured this out when I was trying to figure out how to upload powerpoints on to youtube.   I wanted to take some old photoeyeplay powerpoints and put them on youtube for easy viewing.   There is loss of quality when uploaded to youtube, but that was it.     

I don't know if that solves your problem.   

[Tamsyn]

@Amanda, As far as I understand it, the reason why you read blindfolded is because that way they know you are using your midbrain.  You aren't reading with your eyes, you are interpreting the electric energy of the words or colors with your mid-brain.  It's a different sense, one that most people don't consciously use every day, but a sense nonetheless.  I think they mean the pineal gland, but there have been other parts of the brain mentioned as well so I’m unsure.  I do know where it comes from though.  It’s the third eye, which is a rich part of many Asian religions.  My internet searches for “activate third eye”, “activate mid-brain”, and “activate pineal gland” have all given me similar results.

@Kimba, yes I do think diet has an important role to play.  I thought the following video was interesting and relevant, assuming the midbrain and the pineal gland are one and the same.  I’m not vouching for anybody’s spiritual beliefs but my own.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92qmQFkYILM

Here’s a little insight to what I’m experiencing with this:

I mentioned that I had an experience with midbrain activation when I "saw" the distinct floral pattern of my sheets in the middle of the night.  This was a very real experience for me, not a dream.  What did it look like?  Think of when you look at a bright light and then close your eyes.  You see an after image under your eyes.  Or when you stare at a blue carrot for 30 seconds and then you can see an orange one.  Those two phenomenons are related to sight and vision, but they weren't that unlike the way my brain interpreted the outline of my sheets.  Another experience with it was when I was dozing on the floor while the kids played nearby.  My eyes were closed, I felt a change in my consciousness, and I "saw" an outline of my son's shoulder and his arm moving back and forth with a stick.  I jumped up and looked at him to see that he was indeed playing with a stick but no one was in danger.  I understand that photo-eye-play is important for developing photographic memory because it helps us become more brain is activated.

Learning the five different brain states was helpful for me:
Beta:  Day-to-day brain state, the one you are probably in as you read this.
Alpha: A very relaxed, but still fully awake state
Theta:  The state we are in when we dream.  Also a state we enter briefly before falling asleep and again just as we wake up.
Delta: Dreamless sleep.  Also healing periods, such as when we are in a coma.
Gamma:  Hyperactive brain waves during an emergency.  When time seems to stand still during a car accident, that person’s brain was in the Gamma state.

I was in the Theta state when I had my experiences, which is partially why I am relating my ability to control my dreams to some of my success with midbrain activation.  My friend Ashly said that since she has been trying to do at-home midbrain stuff, she has had a dramatic increase of awareness in her dreams.  I wonder if the pineal gland also has something to do with our dreams.  It does regulate our sleep patterns.  When I was a teenager I made an effort to learn how to remember and control my dreams.  I kept a dream journal for a couple of months and would spend up to an hour or two writing them down in the morning.  During that period I learned to become aware that I was dreaming some of the time, and while I couldn't always directly control my dream (aka, I want this dream to become a Star Trek dream), I was able to learn how to fly and to control that ability.  To this day I still have dreams where I figure out that I'm dreaming and the rules instantly change.  I no longer have to worry about whether my kids are safe or if somebody is hurt because I know it isn't real, and I can fly.  I'm not afraid of falling in my dreams or loosing control.  I have mastered it.  Oddly enough, I often think that some other character in the dream is also dreaming with me and I think of them as an equal player.  Anyway, that's a tangent, but I bring it up because that happens in the Theta state, and I think that my ability to control my dreams may have also helped me to focus on the mental image of my sheets or my son's moving arm when I was in the awake Theta state.  Every time I have seen an image, I very distinctly felt myself going into that conscious state first.  It was almost like flipping a switch.  Warning, Theta state is also the state some try to induce through drugs and other practices.  Brainwashing often happens in this state too.  I am not going to try to bring my kids into this state for learning, I think it could be dangerous.  Rather, I am pointing out that my own experiences have happened in what I perceive to be this state.  Exercise caution.

As I poured over the WINK program we got yesterday, I saw a striking similarity between what they call “mental imaging” and what happens when you try to control your dreams.  You pretend you are in a scenario, you imagine something happening, and you focus on it.  I wish I could remember the name of the book I read back in high school, it was very helpful.  Naturally, the WINK programs “mental imaging” wasn’t supposed to be a dream exercise, but an exercise for the imagination.  I just saw a correlation.  I think dreaming is very much a right-brained activity.  It takes a lot of creativity to come up with a story complete with pictures, smells, sounds and sensations.  But when was the last time you were able to read a book, organize your time, or do math calculations on paper in a dream?  Every time I try to read a book in a dream, the words become jumbled, they change, or the index of a book is completely unhelpful- ie instead of being about cars there’s an unalphabetical list of dog breeds.  I think our left brain tries to stay away from kookie dreams.  Lol.  Yes, dreaming is a bit of a tangent, but if we want to better understand and use our right brains, I think attention to dreams is a useful tool.  Either that, or I'm just trying to validate all of the effort I put into it back in high school!

[seastar]

To be honest, I had dismissed mid-brain stuff as snake oil. However, this thread has made me rethink that opinion. For example, I believe in intuition to a certain extent and maybe this is where intuition comes from. I never linked the third eye with mid-brain activation, thank you Tamsyn!

I wonder what the link is with different forms of meditation? Do any of you guys meditate? There are many many well-designed studies showing the positive benefits of meditation, particularly with regard to concentration, ability to learn, freedom from distractibility, organisational skills, and, in the more 'out-there' studies, intuition. Could this be all along the same lines?

With regard to diet, I definitely feel there is a link. I was vegetarian most of my life, with a pretty healthy diet overall. However, I began eating meat a few years ago, and my overall diet was less healthy, less fruit and veg and less water. I have always dipped in and out of meditation but I have found it much more difficult to do this in recent years and maybe this is due to my diet? I am now meat-free once again and I am working on the sugar addiction (after the Robinson discussion). I feel that tv and screen time also has a negative impact. While I watch very little TV, I did not watch any for around 5 years and I feel it has a negative impact on me. I had been thinking about giving up TV following the comment that 'TV was invented to make slaves of us all' (or something like that) - was that you again Tamsyn? Well, as of today, I have given up TV - wish me luck!

So, now that the diet & screen time has been improved somewhat, I am determined to take a fresh look at all this mid-brain, right brain stuff. But, where to start? Ideas and suggestions most welcome.

[andreasro]

Regarding diet:

Try a detox program. Especially one oriented with detoxifying the whole body and mostly colon / colon cleanse. But not a half our colon cleanse and the rest of the week have a normal life. More like a detox for a week or so.
You will begin to see some changes in perception too.
Detox of the body brings with itself "detox of emotions" and "detox of thought/ of the mind". I've had a week to experiment on all at once, I'm talking from a experience happened few years ago.

Oxygen supplements can help too. Not sure how much. But the more oxygen you give to the brain the clearer you feel your head.

Some children train their midbrain unconscienciously in childhood. I've done that. And still don't understand what was the point of the mind-games I did with myself in some nights before getting into deep sleep. I've tried to repeat those games and almost did it but it's a frightening experience cause it gets me to a level where my mind, my conscious mind, can't have almost if any control.

[Humbler9]

Tamsyn,

It's very interesting how you talk about controlling your dreams.  I also have that ability.  I've always loved dreaming, so when I get the chance to interact in my dreams in ways that benefit me, I don't waste the opportunity.  I used to be in martial arts.  We would try to meditate to improve our workouts.  Often times, I would picture myself doing physical actions perfectly without any struggles.  When lifting weights, I would meditate and imagine the muscle group I was working on becoming a huge thundercloud (biceps) or something along those lines.  When I was in college, I would listen to classical music before and after studying.  Before an exam, I would once again listen to classical music on my way to school.  Once the exam started and everyone had started, I would meditate in class for at least 5 minutes (Teachers thought I was a freak or something).  Most often I was the curve-setter for the exams!  I believe in this stuff, although I didn't know what the concept of mid-brain activation was.

Nowadays, I've been able to pick up the energy from events that haven't happened yet (visions of airplanes hitting buildings before 9/11, numerous people who died (most recently an Uncle and Hugo Chavez), and getting pulled over by the police for speeding (have the tickets to prove those!).  Anyways, I sure wish I could pass some of this along to my children.  I sure with I knew how to safely and effectively begin though.

[TeachingMyToddlers]

Here's a page where Dr. Shichida talks about music being the easiest route to right brain activation. (I set my Google Chrome browser to autotranslate to english). This is obviously computer generated, but I don't mind skimming through these sorts of things. So if you feel like deciphering a butchered version of Dr. Shichida's knowledge on alpha wave music, here you go, cut and pasted for your convenience.

http://onjyuku.com/top_message01.html#a02

1. Music and Brain
2. There is a separate circuit to human learning
3. Ear was bad instead of bad brain
4. 90% of the energy produced in the brain from the sound
5. Over the sound of 8000Hz the sound of the womb regression
6. Music recreated the ear
7. Good quality milk comes out and listened to Mozart's Symphony

Former President of Association of Japanese music ripening
(late) Makoto Shichida Mr.
(President, Institute of Education, but before cytidine)

1. Music and right brain is closely related. There is a work that reaches directly into the brain of the human potential deep music, that potential is very easy to activate. So, I am highly effective to the development of the right brain with music is the easiest. Have deeply connected with the brain potential, the right brain is the music that opens the circuit because of the deep to the brain through the auditory cortex.


2. But there is another circuit of human learning, it is not using a more effective person. I do not know that the learning method of hearing too much emphasis on the visual center of the learning method, using the music. The work on the ear than the eye I'm good. The ear is a playmaker secret that activates the right brain. There is a conscious and subconscious, of the human brain power have, in the workings of the human conscious mind is said to be at most 3%. Is said about the omnipotent subconscious On the other hand, are you hime a very good brain power. Working center is located in the diencephalon subconscious. All the nerve has gathered in the diencephalon, here is a land of mysterious source of human brain power. Music is a way to open the information going into the brain during this straight. There is a system in the brain between working higher energy, music ignited this system. So, listen to music and let the children with disabilities in the work of the head, so that the brain activation while in the control tower of the brain, a strange thing happened we. Children with learning disabilities, hearing impairment often have. Learning is that I do not go wrong ear is not functioning well. Miracle and to listen to music, open your ears, so take a return hearing, child learning can be performed smoothly, I could not say that word only to speak a sentence occurs.

3. Child with a learning disability to the head instead of bad, I'm bad ear. It is a source of strength for what ear brain. When I listen to good music, the ear will improve gradually, and now take the high-frequency hear, especially the brain will be fine and fast. Energy in the brain is activated. And to listen to (especially Mozart) music that has come out of high-frequency sound to child well, I'll see the complexion becomes brighter while the fact. And play music in a class of children with disabilities, children are restless, so sit neatly on a desk, learning Susumidasu smoothly. Elderly is not listening to the sound of high frequency words that neat or not to speak, as a source of high-frequency sound energy is not going to the brain, the brain rapidly losing their vitality. The sound of the TV has so many things that come out of the high-frequency sound frequency characteristic is not bad, if you can not send to the brain of the high-frequency energy to those who are looking, let me lose the vitality of the brain. On the contrary, even in children with disabilities in the ear, even old man became distant ear, and listened to Mozart, hearing is improved, high-frequency sound is now heard, energy is supplied to the brain, we will continue to rejuvenate .

4. Sound which is the source of energy of the brain is a high-frequency sound. Low-frequency sound is not very good to the ear opposite. When I listen to high-frequency sound, hearing of the action was bad so far can be improved. Since when is that a bad ear, the brain's energy intake is degraded, is a problem. According to the French linguist Alfred Tomatis sound in psychologist, it is a part of the organ of the ear that has a function generator to send energy to the brain. The brain from the ear to procure 90% of the energy in the brain, you're raised from such blood is not just a 10% remaining. Sound and energy of the brain, Tomatis is said to be high frequency. Music that contains a lot of high-frequency sound that good, the brain Tomatis says it is music of Mozart. Examine everything from Indian music, modern music of Africa, the Far East from music, from classic from the noise, Tomatis, he says that is not inferior to any Mozart. Then, Mozart's music is that there is a function to open the ears closed. Including high-frequency sound better than 8000Hz, the music of Mozart, is said to be good music this gives energy to the ear.

5. In fact, the sound of the human fetus is listening in the belly, is said to be high-frequency sound over 8000Hz. When I hear the sound of the ultra-high frequency 8000Hz, the brain is activated, α wave is induced. Potential of the right brain is starting to wake up at the same time. Mozart's music is that it contains a number of high-frequency sound that can not hear overtones out well, the ultra-20000Hz, humans. Fetus has grown up listening to such high-frequency sound, the sound of 8000Hz is over I am saying that the sound of the womb regression. Human birth is equipped with the power to hear the sound of up to 20000Hz from 150Hz. The ear has a property that can not be Toru hear the sound you do not hear in life, however, if there is no environment to listen to high-frequency sound in daily life, going as Tozasa the ear to hear the high-frequency sound is. There outer ear, middle ear, inner ear and the ear, are sharing their work differently. Of these, I have a function of the filter is not used to listen to sounds and middle ear, the sound would not introduce unpleasant. I have to act as a "barrier of the ear," the middle ear. Rather than that it does not hear the sound that does not want to listen, to work the ear more efficiently, and it is also described as a phenomenon that occurs in order to limit the frequency response. In any case, the time was in the womb, but had ears to hear the full sound Toru, human or immediately after birth, the sound can come with age, not hear. Ear is going as Tozasa other words. To open this closed ears, hear the sound of it may be Sele womb regression, but it is the discovery of Tomatis.

[TeachingMyToddlers]

In her book, Pamela Hickein mentions children learning from parents easily because they are in sync with them. This study describes how musicians playing together do the same. So if this is possible for adult musicians, then children should be able to sync with their parents even easier, especially if alpha music is being used. I read about it in the Tweedlewink book, but I love these kinds of similar findings that make it easier to swallow.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121129093417.htm

This one is fascinating, as well., especially the "mirror neurons" firing during observation.

http://www.artsjournal.com/newbeans/2011/06/syncing-brainwaves-through-the-fourth-wall.html

Blind Man Navigates Maze

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7794783.stm

All about "blind sight" and those who can see after losing their vision

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindsight

[sonya_post]

I just purchased the Sparkabilities DVD's. We watched the YouTube snippets and decided to go ahead after Tamsyn mentioned them - this forum can get expensive. Oh yeah, someone said that before.

We watched the toddler 1 the first time today. It is very fast flashing. It is basically a 1/2 hour of rapid flashing.

Here is my question, and I don't have an answer, but am wondering what the long term effects of all this flashing is. We really are running an experiment on our children. As far as I can tell it is going ok, but it really is too early to know. I had these same reservations about Little Reader before I purchased it as well, but the speed of the Shichida video and the Sparkabilities DVD is way faster than Brillkids.

In Neil Postman's book, Amusing Ourselves to Death (an excellent read by the way) he mentions how television rewires a child's brain and not for good. He links this to an inability to follow logical arguments and think in a linear fashion. Basically he is saying that our mental lives should be in words not images. The rapid flashing of images decreases a child's attention span. It would make sense to me that if you are doing this a lot with multiple programs, your brain is going to get used to the stimulation and books can't compete.

I don't have an answer for this and I haven't done research to determine if this is really true. We obviously use LR, and LM so I'm in the boat with everyone else. I guess the sparkabilites DVD's were a bit shocking and until I do more research I'm not sure I'm putting my child in front of them.

TMT, thanks for the links I am going to follow-up on those.

Edit: thought this was interesting.....still thinking this through...

http://seattlemamadoc.seattlechildrens.org/what-does-tv-do-to-my-kids-brain/

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