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[Kappasweet]

Thank everyone here for the progress updates.  I am just starting out and I am excited to hear about all of your children.

[Kyles Mom]

What about Math

I still have not seen a toddler do math, I just hear....

Do anyone ever came across a video with a toddler doing simple math, like addition and subtraction???

[Nikolett]

hi everyone,
I have 4 kids. I think I'll write a post a day about experiences while teaching them. 
With 1st one who is 10 now I heard that I could teach her to read when she was one. I got two large sheets of paper, wrote Mommy and Daddy in red, showed it 3 times daily for 5 days, asked which one is which, and finished my experiment as she didn't know Half a year after I got into making picture facts (bits?) of a new country we moved to and showing her a lot of books with animals, etc. She was continuously exposed to 3 languages (and a couple more for a few months at a time as we traveled a lot) but had only spoken a few words by the time she was two. At that point I dropped one language and she spoke fluently withing 2 months. She liked coloring, knob puzzles and other activities. She finally learned to read at 3y.o. with Peter and Jane series reading simple kids' comics to herself for 30 min to an hour by 4 (when she stopped napping). (I remember being confused with choosing whole word or phonics approach (both work together). She always understood her father (as he kept up with language 2) but answered in English until she was 6-7. She is home schooled in both languages and doing fine. I've started her 3rd language classes again since last September and I am not expecting quick results this time around. 
Feel free to comment

[trinity papa]

Sorry lost this post somewhere need to search it out ..... thank you everybody for the update .... Hi Nikolett what about the rest of your child?

i understand about the multi language part i too want to mention something later ....

yes lucy that is my girl ..... she is 15 mth + now ....

A few updates, i started teaching her sign language over hm 3 weeks now ..... or was it 2?? anyway she started showing lots of sign especially after watching the your baby can talk dvd ..... like when she wants me to carry her and instead of making a fuaay noise i ask her to say please or sign please and she did it, she even learn thank you from just watching the disc 3 times a week .... well she only watched it twice before she signed it ..... and as she signed shoes she said shoes .... and when we were at the shoe shop picking up a sandal for her over the weekend ... she signed shoes and kept saying shoes ..... well signing does help .... 

[trinity papa]

There has been alot of qns about multi language ...... i will use this results forum to write about the research i did and personal experiences in my own lifetime and what i notice ...... hmm why here? because so that i could gather all the knowledge in one place ... so that i could refer to it again next time when i have a second one ......

First off, the subject should be your baby can read. Teaching multi-language spoken is different from reading, its also called illetracy ..... my grandparents can speak 3 different dialects or subgroup of chinese which can be very different to those who know but sounds the same to those not familiar, like i couldn't tell apart a french and a amernian speaking. But my grandmother couldn't read or write .... that was due to proverty and war. I hear alot of forumers talking about teaching and using what language to teach the child to speak, that is teaching how to speak in different language and not teaching baby to read ...... In a little city state where 4 languages are spoken by many race, the children in such an environment grows up speaking a mix of all the language as long as it suits what they are trying to express. That is if the sentence in english is too long or complex to express and a easier alternate language can express that same meaning in 1 word, they tend to use it, as such we have what you call broken english. A mix of english and many other languages sometimes 3 or more in one sentence.

This is for the spoken language.
Its good to teach multiple language and babies will loose that native ability after 1yr old. Again as doman said native ability. You can say put an african baby in a chinese home in china and he would be speaking perfect chinese by 3.... as you would with any other babies .... any where else ..... the ability of the baby to define and tune in to that tone to so called decode the tones etcs .... starts as early as birth and gradually loses its ability starting from 6mth .... hence why we spoke 4 different languages from birth to 1 yr ...when they lose that ability .... but really its not lost ..... the advantage is its stored somewhere in the hard disk of theirs .....

Next its best if you drop most other language and concentrate on 1 or 2 core language ..... until they pick it up perfectly, ..... then you can start introducing the other languages back again ..... this other languages would come back to them quite quickly and they will learn to speak it like natives ...without the heavy accent ..... 

How do you teach 2 languages?
I am now concentrating purely on english, teaching her english, but my wife speaks cantonese at home she knows we are speaking in a different language and she does not understand what we are saying because we did not say it directly to her ..... she understands our instructions and command in english .... and she expresses herself in english .... this will be up till 18mth when i will do mandarin intensively, and flashing mainly chinese cards, for the 3rd time, twice before she turn 1yr. And during this time when i am teaching i will speak in perfect mandarin only, but for daily routine it will still be in english .... as such mandarin becomes a subject like maths etc .....

I use to speak in a mix of multiple language from where i came, but after several yrs of education in UK, i learn to turn it on and off depending on who i am speaking to, i even pick up some old englishman and country side slang..... so i think immersion should be part of the training too .... as such along the way she would be brought to china, taiwan for a cultural shock and forcing her to speak mandarin only, and perhaps bringing her to US or UK where she is forced to speak english only so that peole understand her. But then would be some 5-6 yrs from now ..... the purpose of teaching her multiple language is so that she could be an international citizen, and one requirement of that is for her to travel there to immerse herself in that language and culture .....

Also you can arrange classes which speaks purely english only and finding another class that speaks chinese only. And having a different interest group in different language. She would be forced to learn and communicate in 2 language. Its a continuous process after 1 yr old .... and once she gets the hang ... you can start introducing a 3rd and 4th ..... but it would be at the expense of other subjects like music, maths, science, social skills etc ....

[trinity papa]

Secondly, how do you teach your baby to read in 2 or more language ?

Its abit harder ....especially if they don't have the same written language ..... what is that you say??

Well let me explain, chinese language in the written form was standardise some 2000++ yrs ago, but while the written language is the same, the spoken dialects are different. I think about ....hmm sorry no idea at least 20 different chinese dialects i know off ... but heard its something like 200..... anyway .... because its written the same way so its easier to express them by guessing .....

The malay language is written using the english alphabets ...though they are not english actually .... so if you know your ABCs ..... you can guess the word using phonics to read malay .... so if you speak and understands malay ... you can learn to read and write malay if you know your english ..... the only problem is the child may have plenty of problems in spelling .....

Yes if the written basic are the same, children will use phonics and try to spell, this results in wrong spelling and hence wrong answers and ..... this is where the gees of the thing comes in ..... we hope to teach our kids early so that they face less problems in school, but because of the similarities, it delayed and works to their disadvantage instead ..... instead of going to a good school they may be misunderstood and marginalised.

However, if you are learning say english and chinese or other language like say arabic which is a totally different form of written language .... it would be harder to teach .... well for a child but maybe not a baby ... since the baby thru the right mind is thinking it is looking at a picture ..... so its good to flash those images into the right brain before 1. But after that the logic of teaching the written word, its pronounciation and its meaning ....... its where it gets harder ... but the idea is to get the child familarize with the written language first, so that the mind when learning it, would easily accept it and not reject it simply because it looks foreign for the mind to decode .... it would simply say, hey i saw this somewhere before and i remember my parents doing it with me and it was fun ....... and that builds their acceptance and willingness to learn it subsequently ...... and along the way be it 2 or 3 or 4 yrs old, its just a matter of reading and more reading and more familarizing till the school takes over ..... at least the gifted school takes over that is ..... the normal school would be abit slow for them ....

hope this approach of thinking helps ...... and this is what i understand from GD and shichida books and what i think all along before i know about their books ....

[trinity papa]

Kyles mom, i did maths equation with my girl and she did do the simple equations .... i did not take a video of it unfortunately, as i am the only person doing everything ...... my wife is interested but .....

A caution about teaching multiple language though, ...... i read in some research and it was also on utube... it was over a yr ago, before Brillkids..... some US lectuerer on babies and thier language abilities..... to teach them how to speak your language they need to see your mouth and listen to the word ...... otherwise the audio they hear, or if they just see your mouth but not hear the word, the word that they hear auditorily is different .......

Some babies will treat it as background noise like white noise and falls asleep when listening to foreign language .... especially when it is on disc or tv ....... especially if its monotonous dialouge without emphasizing its meaning .....

[trinity papa]

For those interested in teaching music concept to their babies try this one i have been doing it for 1 yr now, sometimes repeated ..... print the file and flash them.... and then download the files to play them .... its a great site except its abit confusing that's all ..... its for 0-2 or 3 yrs old before they learn to play the piano .... you can call it music education early stage ..... it is the gap that you can use before using Helena's doremisoft .....

http://geenogee-early-learning-supplies.com/music_concepts_downloads.htm

You'll need this to open the file ......

http://www.finalemusic.com/store/search.aspx?p=3

It is the best method so far for me to teach my child music notes and theory and ..... to train her perfect pitch ability ......... oops the cat is out of the bag ..... i am no music guy, but those who are, can use this to their full advantage ....

[Nikolett]

Thanks for the music link!
It's encouraging to hear that  my efforts to speak the language to her when she was little are not wasted.
However, I never spoke Russian to my second child, and he does better at my  Russian classes now
I think a lot of it has to do with natural God given talents. When you have one kid you have nobody to compare with Not saying that she can't learn, just harder for her...

[trinity papa]

You welcome ....

Maybe when you were teaching your first child the second one was listening all the time .... or that your oldest child was talking to her in russian .... usually babys learn from babies faster ....hahaha .... hence why i choose slightly older babies in a playgroup for her to join .... so that well ... money sees monkey do .... just hopefully the older ones are not the bad tempered or wild type .... otherwise .....

[jemjem]

hi trinity papa,

thanks for your inspirational experience.  and also for the link. 

[Nikolett]

The second wasn't born at the time

[trinity papa]

Some takeaways from the DD talk


http://forum.brillkids.com/general-discussion-b5/dd-hong-kong-take-away/new/#new


Hi Nikolett, must be esp .... but then again you older child maybe teaching her by simple just talking to her ....

[Nikolett]

ha ha
I think it's a case of Nature vs. Nurture
Anyway, they are all great (kids) and none two are ever the same in the ways they learn anything

[trinity papa]

Hi,

Just adding a new link to a new topic from Shinichi Suzuki, one even GD learns from.

http://forum.brillkids.com/general-discussion-b5/shinichi-suzuki-early-education/msg25405/?topicseen#new

Just working my way to more points and a LR for my girl.......

Nature vs nurture ....hmm i have a few comments on that too ..... been keeping it to myself finding info, accumulating research, and testing it out ....... see if i have the time to post .... later

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