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« on: February 24, 2013, 04:33:38 AM »

The self-propelled advantage- The parents guide to raising independant, motivated kids who learn with excellence by Joanne Calderwood.

OK so this one is tricky to review. Its one of those books you will love or potentially you might not like some of her ideas so much you cant finish reading it. Read it with an open mind and I can garentee you will take something away from it. I enjoyed reading it quite a bit. it made me think and self assess our situation. It made me determine my reasons for why i do schooling the way I do. Overall it was worth much much more than the $7 I paid for it.

Recommended for anyone whos kids dont respect them as much as they would like them too, anyone homeschooling or planning to, anyone who wants their kids to know why they are given afterschooling work and anyone who wants their kids to stop whining about their after schooling work.

So whats in the book?

It starts with a background information section on how her children got to college. Its pretty impressive. One got 100% on his entrace tests and two actually have enough scholarship money to run at a profit! At the time of writing not all of her kids have finished high school, but the ones that have all got scholarships.
It follows with a discussion about her as a teacher in both public and private schools.

Then there is the Bicycle Analogy. This is a big part of the books point. There are three parts to a functioning bike. Front wheel, back wheel and rider. She discribes the front wheel as SELF LEARNING. It is letting go and letting our children do things for themselves
 a great quote
 "micromanaged students lack motivation and dont need to take responsibility for themselves because they know that someone else will take responsibility for them"
I like the idea of not micromanaging my children! It takes away the role of teacher and gives us the role of educational coach. I should point out here that her younger children still get lots of teaching time until the point where they can read independantly and thus work independantly. Self checking is part of her system too.
The back wheel of the bicyle is MASTERY. phew she believes all children should work to mastery. (you know i didnt believe that to be true just a year ago! boy how things have changed!) children should be given the time they need to work to mastery. If they get it in 10 minutes great if it takes 3 weeks so be it. if they are too young and you need to come back to it next year thats fine too. Quote
 "mastery equals excellence"
sure does! smile She discusses the likelihood of obtaining mastery in the different school settings. obviouslty home schooling wins out there!
"Self learning and Mastery make up the framework for educational success."
The third part to the bike analogy is SELF MASTERY this is the rider. She discusses teaching children self mastery from very young. they grow up with high expectations for behavious as one way to teach self mastery. This section will make you think.  yes modelling good behavoiours ourselves, teaching them to work diligently, attitude, respect and morals are all discussed.
The chapter ends with some self reflection questions. As do most of the chapters.

The next chapter is about motivation. its a bit all over the place but has some useful ideas. Not enough concrete ideas to take away and impliment for my liking though. (possiblt they will come later)

Chapter 3 is a comparison between public, private and homeschooling options. If you want to home school and need convincing this is the book for you. She is completly biased and makes good points for that basis.

I havnt finished the book yet. I wanted to get this down before I forgot as the book doesnt seem to follow a logical progression to me. Although I can see there is one if you look at the index.... wacko I can see there is lots more in this book. I look forwad to reading the rest but wanted to share a little story with you all now  big grin
This morning I started implimenting some ideas from the book.  yes  I liked her ideas in motivation, one of which was to give your kids a reason to learn. An intrinsic reason is preferable. Now my oldest is doing Saxon somedays it is a total struggle to ge ther to do it. SO today I sat with her and we discussed why she is doing this extra work. I mentioned that at the rate she is moving through it plus just a little bit more effort on her part she will be finished high school math before she even starts high school. She already knows she has finished English to a high school level so I thought this would gel with her. Well it totally backfired on me! I said "how would you like to finish high school early?" her reply "no way I love school!"   ohmy strait into damage control! "how would you like to be able to choose subjects you want to do rather than do math? Would you like to start a university degree while you are still at school, spending half the day at school and half the day doing uni?" "why? I like school, will I like Uni?"
( this conversation is going great hey!  tongue )
OK change tactic. what do you want to be when you grow up? I usually get a firm answer from her but today not so much. She has been talking alot about living on a farm lately so I capitalised on the interest in agriculture Wink OK so imagine its grade 10 and your friends are heading off to a late in the day math class on fractions (which she is pretty good at  yes ) you already know all the answers so instead you get to go and spend the afternoon at a horse farm leaning how to insaminate a prime mare, fitting in a riding lesson as well before school is over! Or you could go to the math class if you want to  Wink 
OK finally I got through to her! doing saxon NOW gives you extra choices LATER. This she could understand! Interestingly she has already discovered that her saxon is making her classroom math much easier. but that in itself wasnt enough for her.  wacko
My next comment was the icing on the cake for her. " you know if you get 3 years ahead of your friends in math you will pass all the tests without doing the classroon work. then mummy can go to your teachers and say "hey Natalya is pertty bored with the math work you give her so I am going to send her to school with her Saxon grade X book to work through independantly during math time" then i told Natalya she wouldnt have to do SAxon at home if she had already done it at school  big grin
We discussed home schooling in future too. She is pretty keen to try this, but isnt prepared to leave her friends just yet.
I will finish the book and add to the review.  yes I am hoping the second half has more practical applications I can use.

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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2013, 05:38:38 AM »

Funny thanks

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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2013, 05:55:48 AM »

I am very prepared to homeschool! I just wish my hubby was a bit more on board with me. I think this is a great way to teach your kids. Her ideas are very Montessori. That is the aim of a good montessori school to learn something to mastery. I want Sophia and Anneliese to master their subjects and I have always believed that they will. Hence one of the reasons why I send them to a Montessori school but I am beginning to think Homeschooling trumps it all.

Yes schools offer camps and semi socialisation but their is sooooooooooooooooo much time wasted (even in a montessori school) I would be very keen to get my dd's off to a fab start have them finished school early so they can spend more time on their interests or studying at Uni if they wanted to. I think once they are propelled and motivated they can learn anything.


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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2013, 03:30:00 PM »

This book sounds good, very good. Those tenets aren't just for learning or education, they're good for life!

I didn't know Montesorri was into mastery - granted I don't know a whole lot about them, just bits and pieces.

I can tell you though that the school system in general (at least here in the US) is the antithesis of mastery. You're really only going to get that in school if the parent is a tough cookie on their kid (or their kid is somehow a total type A perfectionist).

anyway, book sounds interesting, I'll add it to my list of reads

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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2013, 11:57:04 AM »

Ok so I finished the book  big grin
Now my previous points on it not having a logical flow and lacking enough practical applications need to be taken back  rolleyes  the second half expands on the first half beautifully. It contains many useful ideas and more details.
If you are schooling or home schooling in America there are some great points on university/ college entry methods ( might be outdated by the time our kids get there though  big grin ) a whole chapter on it actually!
There is a chapter on curriculum choices with was very sensible and worth reading. Her ideas of deciding if the curriculum you are using now is conducive to self learning and sticking with it if it is currently working was refreshing! Her curriculum choices are listed also. Her children used a fair bit of ABEKA, and I bet you can guess the math curriculum Wink
The language curriculum intrigued me. She has a self made language alive course available on her website. Primarily it's vocabulary, lots of reading and mini writing essays. On face book I asked her to expand about from what's in the book which was very minimal. I shall copy the chat here later for you.
The whole idea of becoming a great writer by reading alot does my head in. I see so many success stories but my teacher brain just struggles to accept it. I think I am loving the idea of learning to write by reading, I just don't know if I can let go of teaching essay structure and styles of writing.  wub
The end of the book is a chat with her kids, showing their opinions and ideas. It's very candid and honest. Clearly her kids really did say those things and they gave their education the thumbs up.  yes
I find myself still thinking about this book three days later! These are ideas I can use, thoughts to mull over for a while.

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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2013, 12:03:29 PM »

So this was her Facebook status ( good timing right?)

I've never bought a "writing curriculum" for any of my children in over 23 years. What a writing curriculum does is teach young children that writing is work. I'd seen it happen as a teacher in the classroom, and I decided to do things differently in my world.

The results have been nothing short of amazing.

And here is my question and reply.


MandaBplus3 Please what do you have them do for each age group?

URtheMOM.com Up through sixth grade I've simply done grammar plus lots of reading independently. Reading is a precursor to excellence in writing. Kids don't have to absolutely LOVE reading, but they do need to READ. Providing the time for reading is oh-so-important.
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URtheMOM.com After sixth grade, there is no more grammar study. Honestly, seven years of language study ought to be sufficient, no? Yes! it is! Then I have my 7th grade and up students plug in what I call Language Alive: vocab/regular reading/mini-essay writing using vocab words.
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URtheMOM.com Not only have my first five kids scored perfectly or nearly perfectly on the English section of the ACT (at least a 35/36), but I have not ever had them write me a book report or formal essay except for one semester in high school! Lauren went on to major in English and graduated with a 4.0 from Lee University.
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URtheMOM.com I assure you they didn't just get "lucky." They were motivated to read and write because they had freedom to move within the disciplines instead of having a syllabus shoved at them year after year after year beginning in elementary school and continuing through high school. Micromanagement kills motivation for most students.
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Barbara- I hope I can get my mind wrapped around this and implement it, it sounds terrific.
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Mandabplus3  Thankyou! Oh yes 7 years of grammar is PLENTY. I doubt I will manage to spin it out for 7 years even! Book reports are time wasters. I was wondering if it is really true that a reading rich chirdhood creates good writers. I think I have seen enough proof now. Clearly it does! If you don't mind how did your children learn to write university/ college type essays? They are a certain format of pursuasive writing...I can see a way to get good writers through reading but wonder how to teach the style? Do they just " pick it up" ?

I have invited her over here. Fingers crossed  yes


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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2013, 04:41:03 PM »

I've just received the book (free shipping worldwide at bookdepository.co.uk :-)
Can't wait to read it!

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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2013, 08:59:53 AM »

Enjoy! I have actually opened it a few times to review already!

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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2013, 03:05:01 PM »

I finished this book the other day. Seems like a nice resource that I'll keep handy.

For whatever reason, it took me a long time to get through. I think perhaps it was her writing style.

You can google "URTheMom blogtalkradio" to get her podcasts. I've listened to a few of them in 2x (that's my new thing, everything in 2 speed or faster and spend half the time while getting twice the bang for the buck". Her podcast seems to follow the book pretty well so far. If you want to listen on your own, you can download the info file and listen in your preferred player - I haven't figured out how to actually download the files though I'm guessing itunes might be the key (I avoid itunes - just never liked it)

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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2013, 09:07:32 PM »

This book is on sale in kindle format for $1.99
Here's the link.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Self-Propelled-Advantage-Independent-ebook/dp/B009R8DLFW/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1368459374&sr=1-1&keywords=the+self+propelled+advantage

I still think it is worth the money this just makes it an absolute bargain!

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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2013, 04:46:14 PM »

Thank you for sharing this! I purchased it. I had a somewhat chaotic education, moving several times with indifferent parents. I got hopelessly off-track in math, but I did really well in writing. I believe it's because I was constantly reading, both easy and challenging material. It's difficult to read a lot without picking up sentence structure, vocabulary, tone, etc. I do think some practice is in order, but maybe tying it to a genuine interest and audience is a better approach than a bunch of exercises.

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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2013, 11:20:18 PM »

Glad you liked it smile
You might also like this thread
http://forum.brillkids.com/teaching-your-older-child/overall-education-acceleration-vs-depth/60/
In it we discuss accelerated education but beyond that we talk about many ideas in the self propelled advantage. The thread is 5 pages long and full of interesting links, a complete time Sapper Wink
Also have you read the " we can do mosh I Kai" thread? It is ridiculously long ( over 22 pages!) but gives a wonderful order view of Saxon math and homeschooling verses  school ideas.
Can you see yourself looking to teach your children in a self propelled man or now?

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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2013, 03:05:26 AM »

What a motivating book!  I got half way through it last night, and I woke up today ready to roll.   I know I had been slacking as far as holding my little ones more accountable especially when requiring them to do things with excellence and just do it without a discussion or debate.   Today, I made my five year old tackle that closet of his that I have reorganized twice in the last four weeks, and you know what?   He did it all by himself cheerfully to my surprise after a little rough start.   I got to sit on his bed and finish my book while he conquered his closet.   He also conquered his bathroom too.  (He has always enjoyed cleaning his bathroom.  He gets carried away with the cleaner though...cough, cough, cough).   I know why I have been slacking, because it is tedious sometimes to follow through with your kids.    I feel so much better though forcing myself to just do it.  I just needed some motivation.  Nothing like a good parenting book to kick you in the butt.

All my little ones are 5 and under.   I can apply the basic concepts to the running of my household.   I actually had a system running that I let fall to the waste side during our recent move.   I just got all the kids on board with the routine and they are always pretty cheerful about it.   I am just the one that forgets to check up on their follow through. 

When it comes to early learning, I kind of already stick to the mastery of every concept before moving on as  well it kind of just makes sense.   It is just the self-learning that hasn't been achieved, and I am assuming this isn't about grade material as much as it is about maturity, right?   My five year old is finishing up 1st grade math (we finally just stuck with Mammoth Math for its simplicity and thoroughness), but I certainly don't see him being independent by the time he is finishing up 3rd grade math.   Am I wrong?   I guess I will know more when I get to that point.   

I think I will start him on a planner to start crossing his activities out to help him feel empowered and satisfied with his work.  I was doing a reward system, but honestly it got too tedious.  Tedious things usually get left to the waste side in my house, but I know I have got to be better for my kids' sake.   I do also have to have some sanity, so a simpler system has to be created.   A planner certainly could do the trick.   Has anyone an actually copy of the planner she made?   I would love to know others' thoughts about the planner and its usefulness for younger children. 


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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2013, 03:10:26 AM »

Also, I was wondering about grading.  When you have young children doing upper level work, do you think grading is appropriate?  Honestly, I haven't graded or tested at all.   We go over most of the problems together, and if he gets tired of writing, I will write for him.   I haven't the slightest clue when or if I will grade.   I don't get the point of grading if the point is mastery.   I guess when they become self-learners than grading would be necessary to see if mastery is met, but what about younger children working on upper level concepts?  When does grading become appropriate?   

Is it even necessary to keep a record of his work at this point in time?  This book really had me thinking about things. 

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