Math supplement for advanced 3-year-old (almost 4)?

[annisis]

Hi Anna,

Have you heard of Calculus By and For Young People (ages 7, yes 7 and up) by the Mathman? I know it has an age on it, but I don't think you have a need to worry about that. :P

I plan on getting it myself to explore what I could use with my kiddos to get them into a Calculus way of thinking at an early age, being a bit of a math geek myself.

http://www.mathman.biz/

[aangeles]

Hello Bri!

It's good to have you back! I have read about the Mathman on another homeschooling forum, and was planning to look more into it when Ella gets older. I may have to do my research a little earlier than I expected, though. 

Thanks for the link!

[aangeles]

Sonya, Manda, and nee,

Thank you so much for sharing your insightful comments and invaluable experience! After reading and rereading your posts and doing some more research on my own, I have decided to use the following approach for math (at least for the foreseeable future):

Soroban - for mental math and mastery
Singapore and MEP - for critical thinking and problem solving skills
Beast Academy, Hands On Equations, and Life of Fred - for fun

Now, my question is, if we are already doing Soroban for mastery, do I have anything else to gain by adding Jones Math 3?

[Mandabplus3]

Oh yes you would certainly gain something! A headache!       from math overload! Jokes aside I think you have all bases covered. Singapore and soroban  or ( MEP and soroban) would probably cover everything on their own whatever is missed will be so minute it won't be noticed amongst her skills 
I like how you listed them...someone had better tell my kids that MEP comes under critical thinking and problem solving rather than FUN! but don't tell Ella!
Oh one point, I know you have taught measurement already, but others reading this for ideas..I am not sure any of the programs mentioned do a particularly good job of teaching measurement so perhaps look for a supplement, for that one category or just focus on it a bit in the kitchen. It's difficult to teach the basic concepts on paper, it needs to be physical.

[Tanikit]

We use Horizons K, Singapore 1 and MEP 1 with my 4 year old - the reason I use so many is that she likes to chop and change a lot and gets bored easily (which especially Horizons can do if you keep at it day after day as it is very spiral) I find that Horizons K seems to follow much of Singapore 1 - I am not sure what will happen when she starts Horizons 1. Despite MEP working with much smaller numbers than either of the other two programmes it is problem based and so works very well and she enjoys it a lot and it gets her thinking. Very often after a time doing MEP she will find the other concepts in the other programmes much easier to manage.

With your child I would probably do a mixture of curricula - firstly because she flies through it and you need to check she has the facts mastered and also that she can practice it all in depth - I would also advise Singapore CWP and IP for depth, but at the same time move on with a certain curriculum so that she can cover more topics. Math could land up being quite expensive doing it this way which is why using free curricula like MEP will also be necessary. I would also try things like children's sudoku and logic puzzles and Kakuro as well as any other puzzles as they also help mathematical thinking and are fun to do.

[sonya_post]

@ Nee,

You will have all  your bases covered with Saxon and MEP. You can use IXL but I'm not sure it is necessary. The first 4-6 years of homeschooling are very parent intensive and time is going to eventually be your issue. There is tons of great curriculum out there but you can't do it all. You need to watch out for burnout in both parent and child. We need to live as well. 

@aangeles,

We are going to use JG for the memory training and covering skills to mastery quickly. I'm not sure you need Math 3 but there are things in the JG program that I think are helpful - memorizing prime numbers to 1000 for example. I think for the current time, you might be on a math overkill. But if Ella loves it, it's hard to tell her to stop. Next year, it might be something to look at again. If you like the JG program, there are things in there that you won't get anywhere else. But she is working on the soroban so Math 3 may end up being redundant.

[nee1]

Thank you so much for your response, Sonya. I am very, very grateful.

[aangeles]

Hi Sonya,

Could you tell me what skills are covered in Math 3? Is it only multiplication and division facts? Is there any memory training? Or is the JG memory training program separate from its math program?

Thanks!

[sonya_post]

The memory training is integrated into the math program. It is all the basic tricks used every memory training program. He integrates it into the program. It continues, I assume, though the end of the system. Ella uses the Soroban so she is already doing rapid mental calculation. JG 3 teaches rapid mental calculation with the 4 basic functions.  If you have a separate memory training program you want to use, then I still think you can skip it. You can also enter at Math 5 when she is older as that covers Math 3 & 4. I'm still wondering how you are going to fit it all in and still get your laundry done and dinner on the table.

[aangeles]

It does sound like math overkill, doesn't it?    But you guys don't know how math-obsessed this little girl is! Here are some examples just from the last couple of days:

- A friend of my mom who was a little hard of hearing asked her to repeat several times how old she is, and Ella was getting a little exasperated. Finally, she told her, "I am 5-1, 2x2, 12 divided by 3 years old!!!"

- In the shower last night, she told me, "Mama, I figured out what 5x12 is! Because 5x6 is 30, and if you double 6 it's 12, and if you double 30 it's 60. So 5x12 must be 60!" (She has the times tables memorized only up to x9.)

- Then, this morning, the very first thing she told me as soon as she opened her eyes was,"Mama, you know, 1,4,9,16,25, and 36 are special numbers, because it is the number times itself." So I guess I know what our math lesson today is going to be - I have to introduce her to squares and square roots! At least she knows the concept already, I just have to teach her the terminology. 

[sonya_post]

If she decides she doesn't like you anymore, she can always come live with Auntie Sonya. 

[linzy]

One other thing sshe might like would be dreambox.com. I use it as a supplement for my son.

Homeschool buyers co-op has a 60% discount:

http://www.homeschoolbuyersco-op.org/homeschool-math-curriculum/

Or if you PM me I can send you a link for a free month trial. It is a game format but is very conceptual, which is great for my son and he ability to think about and manipulate numbers. Most of oour other programs are more focused on memorizing the facts.

[Kimba15]

Here is something I came across today http://www.mathletics.com.au. Don't know if this is of any use  to you.

[Korrale4kq]

I am intrigued Kimba. I can't view the site without flash but the US version says it is the number 1 math site in the US. I have never heard of it before. I love the timed maths races.

Here is a substantial review.


http://www.homeschoolmath.net/reviews/mathletics.php

[Mandabplus3]

Mathletics is very popular in Australian schools for grade 3 up. In particular the boys love it. It's quite easy for kids to spend a substantial amount of time practicing skills without knowing it   it's a practice sight more than a teaching site, but older kids seem to like it. I don't know how useful it'll be for little ones, it's been a while since I looked at it.

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