Math curriculum for toddlers?

[Korrale4kq]

Saxon confuses me immensely. Their 54, 78 odd numbering system which is not in use anymore? So confusing. And I have read several times that the old versions are exponentially better than the new ones.

Do you have any idea what old book would be relevant for Kindergarten (usa) level?

[sonya_post]

The Saxon for younger grades is the old Saxon and it is much better. We used Saxon from Saxon 1 through Algebra 1. Once you get the Saxon 5/4 it has all been rewritten. We used the old stuff when you could usually get tests and answer keys on ebay.

Saxon was originally for public schools. So, the 5/4 means it is for a 5th grader or advanced 4th grader, same with 6/5 and so on, 7/6 can be skipped as it is mostly review. Saxon starts out at Saxon k. We used Saxon 1 in kindergarten. For most of the kids on here you could start that at about 3. Nee is going to laugh that I even post this as I've voiced my dislike for Saxon when it comes to the later grades.

I'm not sure you need the whole series. I think KTM and others will get you to where you want to go. It covers all of elementary math. Plus MEP and other resources. But it is a fine curriculum for the early years. I mentioned the second grade book only because it teaches basically the same material as 1 and 3 but only in more or less depth depending on the year. For a parent who has no idea how to teach specific concepts the lesson is scripted. For a good foundation that covers all the bases, Saxon is a good choice. I kept my Saxon Teacher's manual for this very purpose even though I have no intention of using the program.

Here is the scope and sequence for Saxon k-3: http://saxonhomeschool.hmhco.com/HA/correlations/pdf/s/SHS_MathK3_SS.pdf

[sonya_post]

There is also Rays Arithmetic. It has been reprinted as a lot of home schoolers are now using it. You can find it here: http://archive.org/stream/raysarithmeticse00rayjrich#page/18/mode/2up

All this is just so that you begin to feel comfortable that you are covering the bases. I haven't really looked at Ray's but I know there are a lot of people who like it. 

[sonya_post]

Sorry, here is the link to the kindergarten or 1st grade book. I don't think they were used in grades per say just used till finished and then the kids moved on.

http://books.google.com/books?id=ntTy0NUjKHQC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

[Korrale4kq]

I am still debating if I need saxon. I am using IXL for all our core content so I don't miss anything. And I plan to set up a flow chart for myself similar to what is in BFSU.  And I don't fear math, I tutor it currently (upper elementary) and I used to tutor it back in high school. So I don't feel I need the scripting. I really like the spectrum and kumon  workbooks for practice. We implement right star and miquon math (soon), i have marshmallow math and KTM on order.

It is just tha everyone says Saxon is so good..... If I can find an old one cheaply I would like it for reference. I have issues. I want Singapore math too!

James is currently at a kindergarten math level. And we are very slowly working through the spectrum workbooks at that level. We haphazardly play math games, and have daily teaching moments, to work on concepts and then when we are ready we will go back to IXL to check his mastery for K. He had no issues mastering all the Pre-K content in less than 4 hours total.

[sonya_post]

If you drill math facts you will have down what Saxon does best. MEP is a great replacement Singapore (in my humble opinion better) and free......

Go to book sales - you might find old Saxon stuff cheap. I've picked up the old Saxon books for $.50 a book.

My husband is a book dealer we go to sales all the time. I can't afford the kind of book library I want without going to sales. I like books that are hardbacks with dust jackets...I want a book that costs $25 but I don't want to pay more than $1.00. Only because we love books, Books are usually .25 - $2.00. A lot of the kids science and math stuff gets left behind and you can pick this stuff up on bag day for $5.00 a box/bag. How do you find them????  http://www.booksalefinder.com/

[Kerileanne99]

Korrale4kq-
I did take a look at Rays Arithmetic, and whilst it is pretty comprehensive, it wasn't something I thought I could happily and easily adapt for a toddler, even with Alexs love of all things number/math related...maybe some could?
full disclosure, though They are based upon the old-school McGuffy Readers books (I own them and have RARELY used them for anything- just too outdated and better options, IMO, so I know there are SO many that would disagree

Just in case you would like to have the McGuffy Readers, you can get them all from the Gutenberg project for FREE!
Here is a link to easily download them all as FREE Ebooks!
http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/country-living-forums/classroom/431686-mcguffey-readers-free-kindle-downloads.html

Also, here is a link, previously posted several times by various wonderful BrillKid members that will allow
you to download, For FREE, the Saxon 5/4 and Saxon 6/5 books, in their entirety, so you can see for yourself (obviously this is Saxon Math for older kids, and, as Sonya has said, differs from the K- level and up old material.  Still, it may help a bit)

http://www.cascadeheights.org/sites/default/files/gradelevel_files/SaxonMathStuden54.pdf

http://www.cascadeheights.org/sites/default/files/gradelevel_files/SaxonMath6-5.pdf

Hope this helps you a bit, or at least saves you money

[Korrale4kq]

I have the older Saxon stuff downloaded.

I taught my first reader to read with mcguffys. Well I Used Samuel blumenfiels word list first. Which is a lot like the Flesch cards. And then I dove into mcguffy with the girl. She loved them. But we didn't need to go beyond the primer.

[nee1]

Age guidelines mean very little to us here. Actually in general I think they are quite off. When I did my
teaching degree I was taught one to one correspondence can't be expected from a child until 6-8 years old! At the time I had a three year old who had it mastered with no help from me, so I questioned a lot of the expectations from then on. This is a great forum for questioning the norm!  

Mandab,

I am re-reading the concept of one-to-one correspondence in Marshmallow math, and I wondered - why on earth would anyone say a child only understands that concept at age 6-8?

In Marshmallow Math, the author says:
 'One to one correspondence is a mathematical way of saying that if there are 6 peoples and you want to give each person a cookie, you need 6 cookies. This is a simple, but fundamental concept that child must learn. The above illustration using cookies is a good example of how to introduce the concept to your child. If you have a large family, then every meal presents a good opportunity to reinforce the concept. How many glasses will we need? How many knives and how many forks will we need? At snack time, how many apples or oranges will we need? If you have a small family and especially if there are only two of you, you will want to improvise. Throw a tea party for teddy bears or take toy animals on a picnic in the living room. If you have friends or family come to visit, take advantage of the opportunity to reinforce the concept with a different number of people. With older children, you may explore two-to-two and three-to-three correspondence. This will provide a foundation for understanding multiplication later'

As I read this, I'm thinking, what on earth is so mysterious about that? Why would a child need to aged 6-8 to be introduced to this? A  2 or 3 year old who understood the concept of quantity and could count to 10 could learn this!

[Jemi]

Found this today.
Some might find it useful. Not sure if site is available outside the UK....
My quest to find fun maths things for Android led me here (though this isn't an app). Tempted to get an iPhone just for the maths apps! But that's another topic entirely!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/ks1/maths/

[Jemi]

Thanks kerileanne for the Saxon book links. They don't work for me..... can someone else try so I can see if it's just on my end pls? I can down load the guidelines only from here


http://www.cascadeheights.org/academics/our-curriculum/fourth-grade

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