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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2012, 06:42:39 AM »

Ive been using abacusmaster tutorial for my daughter for almost 2 months now..its very good.. I'm very happy with the support they give.. no delays and they always respond.. its very hard to get good service nowadays..
I'm also planning to start an abacus center using abacusmaster.. they have even agreed to give me complete training free.

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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2012, 02:53:35 PM »

http://www.abacusmaster.com/ looks interesting. 

I think software is great for learning, and I want to try the trial version of the software "Show Me Soroban" from http://www.senapps.com/ , but it seems I have to receive a registration key that I have emailed them for. 

Although for me personally, I wanted the workbooks for my children to sit down at the table.  We just received our curriculum from http://www.nurtureminds.com/index.htm , and I will begin to review it. 

Just from glancing over it, I have the following questions that perhaps Soroban can answer or anyone who is familiar with this curriculum:

1.  What age do we begin with?  My children are 4 years 8 months, and one of my twin daughters can easily count to 100 (because she likes to practice), and the other twin daughter can count to 50 (and is learning to count to 100) on the abacus.  Yet, we will begin with Year 1 book and work through it as review and refinement of the fingering techniques, and learning the other skills, as well as completing the exercises in the Year 1 Activity book.  They are also learning to write, so I will make sure that they know the answers for writing "one", "two", etc., and they can write the words to the best of their abilities.

2.  How many pages is a lesson? 

3.  How long (time duration) should a lesson be?

4.  What is the frequency? or how many days per week do we teach the child/ren and how many lessons per day? 

5.  How long should it take to complete "Year 1" books, as long as we are consistent with a schedule?  And Year 2?

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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2012, 01:54:52 AM »


So far what i have seen is that you need to work a lot on complements of 10 and of 5 in order to do the math.
Are any of your kids working with abacus ? If so, what age are they and when did they started.
Please i would appreciate if you can share your experience?

2010BEBES,

If you are concerned about whether your 4-year-old can understand the concept of number bonds and use it on the abacus, I would highly recommend doing the activities demonstrated in the the video uploaded by PokerDad using a ziplock bag with 5 marbles. In the beginning, Ella also had problems doing 4+1, 4+2, etc on the abacus because the concept of number bonds was new to her, but after a couple of sessions working with marbles in a bag and a big stone, she finally got it.  laugh

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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2012, 08:58:26 AM »

Hi Guys,

Sorry I haven't responded in a while.
Just finished testing week in my classes and I've finally been able to come up for some air.

TeachingMyToddler > Unfortunately there isn't a international or even a national registration for teachers. We've really dropped the ball in the profession on that one! I know it can be a minefield trying to find a "good" Soroban teacher, so I would definitely be up for any suggestions on how I might make such a list. I'm also sorry to say I don't know anyone off hand in Virginia.

Ayesha Nicole > As of right now I don't see a comprehensive way to learn Soroban in a easy step by step way without a teacher. It's part of the reason I thought I could help a lot of parents by making videos that taught them how to do it. I'm still working on the videos and I'm trying to figure out what parents would really like to learn in them, so please give me some pointers!
  Also I've never used nurture mind's workbooks but let me try to answer some of the questions.
The golden rule I always follow when teaching is to let the student guide me in setting the pace for their learning. Some kids will "get" concepts quickly while others won't but every student should really practice and master a skill before they move on to any other skills. It's really hard as an adult to repeat the same lesson since it feels repetitive, but in more cases than not kids don't feel bored by it. And they need the repetition to develop their muscle memory and other skills to be able to learn new skills on top of it. I hope that helps.

 2010BEBES > Aangeles is definitely right about a 4 year old being able to understand the concept of 5's and 10's. I would like to throw in my 2 cents that understanding the concept isn't the final goal of learning. This was really counter intuitive for me, but learning is more than understanding the why and how. It's been really important for me to learn that kids don't understand math the way I as an adult understand math. For me I can see the connection that numbers have with graphs, and shapes and how its all interconnected. But with kids they don't have the years of schooling and experience that I do. So, their understanding of math can be more superficial, as long as it's a solid base that they can later use to refine their understanding.
So to give you an example: a child depending on their age might understand that having 1 apple and then their mom giving them 1 more apple means that they now have 2 apples.
However, they may not understand the abstraction and make the logical conclusion that having 2 apples and giving an apple to mommy means you'll only have 1 apple left.
The 2 "facts" may not be linked especially if they are taught in a rote memorization format.

Anyway, all I wanted to say was that you shouldn't be worried even if it feels like your child isn't understand all of the conceptual portions of math all at once. if you keep working on the Soroban, the patterns of bead movements will naturally develop a "sense" of how numbers are linked together, even if they can't fully explain how.

Wow, this ended up a lot longer than I expected. Sorry for the long post (again).

Also a quick update about the video's: I've posted a video of a 3 year old student in Japan who was doing multiplication. Here's a link to the video if you want to check it out http://www.learnsoroban.com/2012/01/25/amazing/3-years-old/

Have a good one,
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« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2012, 04:25:19 PM »

I think you may have just touched on something important. When I think about my time in learning math as a kid, I don't recall ever being told specifically about number relationships (how interconnected math is). Maybe I was taught it specifically later, but early on, I don't think so. They just gave me problems to solve. I even remember the teacher holding up flashcards for the class... the flash cards might say 7+4 or something like that. The whole class participated to recite the answer as quickly as possible.

My wife's school teaches math completely different than how I was taught. Kids have to deconstruct a math problem into easy to solve bits. In their homework, they have to come up with at least two ways to solve a problem. The idea is to TEACH the relationship.
The outcome, frankly, is that their school is weaker than average in math.

Although I don't know how she learned math, if you asked my wife who's better at math me or her... she knows her times table better and faster than I do (because she teaches them everyday and I barely use them, if ever), but I can mentally calculate percentages in a moment (I use this skill in poker) and have an overall deeper understanding of math than she does, and it's not even close.

I think perhaps there were kids that became math phobic and therefore never ever got to the point where they understood much; so some schools reverted to an inferior method to try and teach it (known as TERC)
I plan on counteracting this by making sure my child has numeracy before entering kindergarten. I discovered the soroban simply by looking around to find kids that could do math, and the kids that practice soroban are, by en large, far far superior at math than kids practicing any other sort of math learning. In other words, look at where people are getting the biggest and best results, and then figure out what they're doing.

Now if I understand you... using and learning on the soroban did not hinder your ability to understand or solve algebra equations, geometry, trig, or calculus? Did you get decent grades in those classes, if you can remember?

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« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2012, 01:00:46 PM »

Hi Pokerdad,

I think your experience reflects a lot parents who are shocked by the outcome of math in schools today.
I would add that the biggest problem I see isn't that they are trying to teach relationships. I think it's great that they are trying to do things better. The problem is that it's not built on a foundation of being able to do the actual calculations and therefore kids have no math "sense".

As for Soroban hindering math learning: I never had an issue with any conflicts with facts.

Usually, I found that I had extra time during class and on tests. Since I didn't have to waste time consciously thinking about the basic math functions (add, sub, mult, div) or having to rely on a calculator. And because I'm a bit of a geek LOL , I loved to think about the why and how the new topic would fit into my web of math understanding.



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« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2012, 04:11:21 PM »

Hi Everyone!

How are you?  Does anyone have this software?

http://www.showmesoroban.com/

I am having issues with it running on my computer after installation.   tongue   I am waiting for technical support to advise me.

How is this software program?

http://www.abacusmaster.com/

Thanks.

Ayesha

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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2012, 02:25:46 AM »

I have requested help running their trial at least twice, maybe 3 times, with no response. (I was not able to activate it). I didn't want to shell out the money for the whole program (showmesoroban) before seeing the trial in action first. Needless to say their customer service does not impress me, I have yet to actually use the program or purchase it, although I most likely WANT to buy it if I can just see it first!



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