Possibly My New Favorite Full Math Program - Even in French

[sonya_post]

Mae_Jakob_Ka.

I didn't even see your post until now. I must not go to the forums through my email because I often miss updates to threads. I really, really like this program. There isn'ta huge outlay of cash. The teacher's manuals will give you everything you need and more and more and more. So, I'm not sure I'd print them out they are huge.

I don't know if you've seen this thread, but there is a lecture posted from the creator of Jump. http://forum.brillkids.com/index.php?topic=15098.msg91258;topicseen#new

[cokers4life]

I took out some time to really browse through Jump Math online, and I am thoroughly happy with this program.  I love how the lesson plans are really stand alone from the workbooks.  I can really just focus on teaching the concept without the need for the worksheets.  Although, the teacher's blackline masters for the first grade curriculum will provide just enough "workbook" fun without it feeling like too much.  Plus, the pages are very appealing to the kids. 

Fortunately for me I switched over to a refillable ink cartridge system or this would be really expensive.  I have to print the teacher's manual because I can't sit at a computer screen and read like that.  Plus, I like to have the manual open as a reference when I am teaching a concept. 

I like Jump Math better than MEP especially the workbooks.  I felt that MEP moved to rapidly in some places and it was also a little jumpy.  Jump Math is definitely more thorough but it has aspects of MEP that I like too.  thanks for sharing this curriculum.

[sonya_post]

Teacher's manuals are huge. That is why I said it gives you what you need and more and more and more. I think the thing I like most about this program is that I can start it now. It assumes your child knows NOTHING. And it tells you what to say and how to present it. And in case you missed it, it will do it again another way. It will be slow, for my LO and Miss C. the other little boy I have will be able to whip right through this and move on, but at least I will know he didn't miss anything. The little boy I take care of would rather never have another reading lesson, but will take math lessons by dozen. We play math type games all the time. He can add and subtract numbers up to 20 in his head. If I give him ten frames he can add and subtract as many digits as I ask him to. We were going to start on multiplication/division facts but I've decided to have him run through Jump just to cover all our bases. Last week we completed 22 lessons in Jump 1. He just started preschool and has no prior EL experience other than from me. We didn't really start him on it until he was just over 3 - at that time I had just found Glenn Doman and was still trying to figure out what I was doing.  By the time he hits kindergarten he will be pushing 3rd or 4th grade math and probably reading at a second grade level.

 I am pretty sure that you can use grade 2 without the workbooks also or just use workbooks you have lying around with the Blackline Masters.

I switched to a CISS last fall. That has been one of the better purchases I've made.  I can print and print forever and I still have ink. Otherwise I could never afford to do what we do. I have this love hate relationship with modern technology.

[lzp11]

I've just printed out the teachers guide and BLMs for unit 1 of grade 1 Jump Math (Number sense 1.1).  It wasn't as bad as I had thought!! 

I agree Sonya that Jump math starts at a really basic level which works well for early learning.  We will be progressing very slowly with these, alongside our Rightstart Math level A, to provide some alternative methods to understanding key concepts.  As with Rightstart, I like having such a straightforward guide to follow with clear structure for how to approach the teaching.

I did order the 1.1 workbook because I liked the look of it so much.  I hope we get to use it.  DD did not really take to worksheets for a long time but she seems to be slowly getting more enthusiastic.  The workbook cost UK £10 including delivery from www.abebooks.co.uk (it is being shipped from the US).  This seems pretty reasonable for a comprehensive book which will last us a long time.

My 3.5 year old has little patience for maths!  When she concentrates she shows me that she has great ability and potential but trying to teach math is like trying to pin down a rainbow at times 

What is interesting for us is that trying to play math games is not particularly productive.  I think it's because if she's enjoying the game then she considers the math element an intrusion of sorts.  I try to be creative and make the activities enjoyable (e.g. I put some tally sticks in a folder, took one away and then she beat out the answer using her drumsticks on the folder) but anything more complex than that seems to simply annoy her!  It is sometimes better to present it simply as an interesting math problem (with great enthusiasm) and ensure that it's quick!  Often it's a question of "let's just do this activity and then we'll go to the park...."  Teaching math is a big learning curve for me so will be very interesting to see how she takes to the Jump materials.

But even with reading we had a really long time where I wasn't sure whether there was any point in continuing.  Then she suddenly clicked as to the point and purpose or reading and now she loves it.  So I will keep going with our micro lessons and hope that this will still make steady progress over time.

[Wolfwind]

OK, based on all these recommendations, I started. Jump Math 1.1 - Number Sense - with my two year old.  Did anyone else just get blank stares?  She can count to twenty, subitize to five, and do some simple manipulative addition and subtraction.  But I started the activity where you count an object twice (to try and make them understand that you're only allowed to count each object once) and she was completely blank.  I finally got her to tell me how many objects by subitizing, then counted it out loud wrong, and at least she understood it was wrong.  But "have the child suggest ways to avoid counting objects more than once" - nada.  No response.  She's very verbal, has no problem expressing ideas, so I don't think it was that she couldn't say an answer.  I think she couldn't come up with one.  Am I expecting too much?  Can a two year old do this?

I haven't taught her numerals yet, and I don't think we can go beyond 1.1 without them, so we'll do that next.  But I'm a little disappointed.  So many people seem to love Jump Math, but it's frustrating me so far.  MEP seems much more my daughter's level.

[Korrale4kq]

James seems to be at the same place. Counts to 20 Forward ans backwards, skip counts by 10 to 100. Can recognise numerals. Subtitizes to 5. And does basic addition and subtraction with matrix dots and manipulativses.

The way you explained what you just did there emitted nothing from James except his sharp head turn and little "meh" sound he makes when he doesn't know what to say. So you are no alone with this.
Granted I am not using jump math.

[sonya_post]

Wolfwind,

My son is about 2 months older than your daughter. He has been able to count to 20 forward and back since about 18 months.He can substitize to 6, and accurately count object to 4 sometimes to 5.  We started MEP reception year when he was still one. We didn't do allt he activities as he wasn't ready. And still isn't. He can do simple addition/subtraction with numbers less than 5.

I chuckled when I read your post. While you can do Jump or any other math curriculum at just barely 2, you will have to modify it. We started the same lesson today with my 26 month old, and a 4 y/o with Down Syndrome. We plan on taking the first part of the lesson "How Many" and doing that one all week and part of next. At two, a child doesn't know that if you rearrange the objects the same number will be there. So, today we used M&M's and Cheerios and I arranged them in patterns using numbers 1-4, I put them on the table and I counted. Then I rearranged them and said "Now, how many?" and counted and I said "Look it is still three! Hooray!" And then again. We did this over and over for numbers 1-4 and then ate the stuff. By the time we were done the kids knew that no matter how you arrange objects, the number doesn't change. That is one step. Each day I plan on adding one more number. We are also using the substitizing numbers 1-12 files for LR. The same is true for large circles and little circles. Size is different than quantity. So, you have to figure out how to convey that. But that is ALL we are doing this week.

The next part of the lesson is not going to be a go as they teach it. However, that is ok. The principle is that this is the next concept we need to work on. My son thinks counting is touching objects and saying numbers. It hasn't clicked yet. So we might spend two weeks on this part of the lesson. If he were a year older this would go much faster. I can teach this by using the Jump example and count and see if he notices, but he won't. He hasn't associated the number of objects with counting yet. They are separate deals for him. He likes to touch stuff and say numbers. So, I am going to have him count a lot and we'll be doing a lot of "Opps,  just once." I might have my oldest son, or my husband count objects and then count too many, and then say something like, "Daddy don't be silly, we only get to count it once. Like this: " and then demonstrate.A trick we've used in the past when working on this concept is counting and moving the object to a different spot. So I put three Cheerios on the left side of his placemat and as we count them we move them to the right side of the place mat. Then I can explain that we already counted those. 

Your child is going to have this kind of problem no matter what program you are using - we are talking about just barely 2 year olds and numeracy. I should have stated this in my review of the product. For the little boy I have that just turned 5, we are whipping through these lessons like we are on fire. The other two are going to be hard slogging. So, I am using the teachers manual to get ideas and also to approach my 2 y/o's math education in a systematic manner. Marshmallow Math gives you great ideas but I would still be teaching too many concepts at once, that is my problem. This breaks it down to each step. The lessons are written for 1st grade so these little tiny increments can be covered quickly when you are older. No so much when you are two, Also, Jump uses a Socratic dialog when teaching math, that is not going to work for a 2 year old, you are going to have to modify. But you are only talking 6-12 months or so of that. You can also put of using the program for a year or so. I am pretty confident in my ability to modify and make it work when I understand the principle. So, it might be harder for you to use, but you are going to run into this now matter what program you use. None of these curriculum providers considered we'd be taking this stuff and using it for 24 month old toddlers. So we might take 3-4 weeks to cover lesson one. It may take longer if he still doesn't get it. But, that is where we are focusing.

Hope that helps.

[cokers4life]

I got the same blank stare too, so I adapted it.  I started with a small number like 3 and put them in a clear straight line.  I counted forward and then went back to the beginning and continued counting.  I stopped on "five," and said, "Is there five here?"  Then I got a big fat "no!"   I think counting in the circle is slightly confusing at first to demonstrate this concept because a child generally assumes "alright this adult can count so I am sure I am mistaken that she counted wrong."   I just kept adding counters until I was satisfied that they understood me.  Then I put them in a circle and did as described in the book.  They finally got it. 

The games and concepts make me think a lot of Marshmallow math too, but I was kind of all over the place with the concepts.   Jump Math has a lot of fun games done in an orderly fashion.  My favorite game so far is the problem solving game of using order to solve problems on page B-9 in book one.   I decided to do the words to create a message, and we pretended to unlock secret messages.  The kids really loved that game, and it worked on their reading too.  We also knocked out dot to dot pages and tic tac toe found in the blackline masters.   The number puzzles were a little frustrating because I didn't put all the numbers on one line.  I put 1-5 on one line and 6-10 on the next.  Then cut it up for them.   They kept insisting that the puzzle be put in order in one long line of 1-10.   Mommy was wrong and didn't follow directions.  oops.  I was pretty surprised by how much we got through in one day.  Mine are three and four, and we have been playing with numbers for a few months.   My three year old just got the 1-1 correspondence a few weeks ago.   I swear counting and counting and counting is what it took for it to happen.  I was pretty discouraged for a while there, but finally it clicked. 

I will definitely repeat several of the activities again tomorrow.  I didn't do every activity in every lesson as I knew some of the activities were not going to be easily explained to both a 3 and 4 year old.  I definitely think my 4 year old could breeze through this faster, but I am working on him following directions more accurately.   He likes to rush through things right now, and I am trying to slow him down a little so he can practice excellence.  He doesn't enjoy workbooks, but he is finding the Jump math pages to be enjoyable and just right for his patience and focus. 

The biggest hit of the day is definitely the secret message game and it has me thinking of some other fun ideas for this concept.....

[Wolfwind]

Thank you all for your responses!  I got some great ideas on how to start teaching this stuff, and I'm ready to get to work.  I guess I was just hoping someone had found a product that would guide me step-by-step through teaching a two year old math... no such luck.  But with your examples, I see how we can adapt this and make it work.  Thank you all so much for the reassurance that it is worth the work.

[arvi]

  I guess I was just hoping someone had found a product that would guide me step-by-step through teaching a two year old math... no such luck. 

Wolfwind, I am currently using Miquon with my 2.5 year old DS. I started the program right after he turned 2. Miquon is a very hands-on approach for creative problem solving in maths. You will not believe that my son can solve problems like this on his own with cuisenaire rods:
5+2=3+x
5-4=2-x
x*5=20
3*x=18
and any word problems related to +,-,* in grade 1. Its absolutely brilliant program.

In the beginning, I found it difficult to follow through the Miquon curriculum as it contained multiple booklets like Annotations, first grade diary, orange, red, etc books. But once you get the hang of it, its like sailing in breeze.

I am also using Singapore math as the spine and both the programs complement very well with each other. I am currently perusing the future levels of books in Singapore math where they use bar model for problem solving. Children learning with Cuisenaire rods will find it very easy to transition to this bar model method as both are inter-related.

[Kimba15]

Hi everyone,

I am very interested in the Jump program I just have a couple of questions.

1. Does the Canadian version teach the metric system?
2. Is it suitable for a little girl who will do just about anything to avoid maths?

Kimba

[sonya_post]

Canadian Version does teach metric system.

I'm not sure if Jump is the going to save a little girl who will do anything but math, but it is low key. The lessons are set up so that it moves in very small increments. The first lesson covers 3 skills. You can cover only one skill or all three. It helps you see that there is more for her to learn than you realized. So, maybe she is having trouble and hates it because she missed something along the way. The way it is taught is pretty fun - low pressure. If you get the teachers material and download the first 40 pages of year one, you can try the program free.

[lzp11]

Kimba I also have a little girl (3.5y) who will work hard to avoid maths - maybe we need to start a new thread and / or a support group   

I haven't yet started using Jump but I am really hoping that we can work with it. We are using Rightstart at the moment and will continue to use this alongside Jump. I have broken down each lesson into tiny sections with the aim of completing 1-2 during a day. It has required a lot of patience on my part to hold back on my own enthusiasm which can sometimes be counter-productive and a bit overwhelming. I try to be very positive with every small achievement and this does seem to be working.

Today for example our maths activity was for her to show a number from 1-10 on the abacus and then take one away. We did this for 5 numbers (done with her feet btw  ). And that was it!  It sounds so little compared to so many wonderful stories I read on this forum. But I took a long breath and decided that a slow and steady structured process was the best approach for now.  Hopefully as she gains confidence in her abilities as well as more concentration skills we will be able to increase how much time we spend on maths. I am taking the same approach to learning piano.

As i skip ahead in rightstart I can see we will soon come to a point where the steps are a bit too big between lessons and we are likely to need to take a break or at least add in a few smaller steps before continuing as per the curriculum . I will carry on using the RS abacus and tally sticks as manipulatives in the meantime. 

So this is why the concept of Jump appeals to me so much. It is built on tiny incremental steps which i hope will build confidence and help her learn to take pride in her own maths ability.  I also take comfort that Robert Levy's son did not start till later and did not much like maths to start with!  Having looked through the first part of the manual I think I can find ways to teach it, almost certainly we will not follow the suggested scripting, and will use manipulatives as much as possible rather than workbook pages. 

I hope that helps - look forward hearing how you get on!

[Wolfwind]

arvi, thanks for the suggestion.  I should have said that I was excited to find a FREE program that would teach her math without me making up the lessons; I have heard the Miquon and RightStart are both fabulous, and I'm looking to get one or both sometime when I've got the money.  But I can do Jump without the workbooks and download the teacher's manual for free right now, so I hope I make it work.

[Mae_Jakob_Ka]

This topic was in Oct 2012 but just want to say that I have been using Jump math with my kindergarten son. We are using AP Book 1.1.
I really love it.  For me, Math is the most difficult subject to teach because I was never good at numbers or math. Jump Math makes me a better Math teacher (for my son).The teacher guide is my life saver. It tells me what to say, what to teach, and how to teach. 



 

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