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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2010, 08:35:44 PM »

Here is a link to a student solving a math problem in my daughters class  at the start of the school year
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 He teaches math differently than a traditional public school.  There are no set textbooks.  He has actually created his own workbooks.  Mastery is VERY important and having a solid foundation in the basics.  If there are gaps in math it can cause difficulties.  As far as kumon I have to say I am hooked.  I now have my 6 and 4 year olds taking the class.  Because I am homeschooling the 6 and 4 year old I have so much freedom in teaching them.  Oh here is a link to the AMC 8 so you can get an idea of what it is all about Wink 

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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2010, 04:32:04 PM »

 Sad kids are different. they have their own ways. my dd used the kumon for a while. but she just can't stick to it.I think it may don't meet her interest. she now is using the beestar. it offers both math for free and gt math.by now it has turned to be great. LOL

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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2010, 09:50:51 PM »

My question will be what is wrong with American Education System in general?

Alfie Kohn speaks and writes about progressive education and parenting.  I have been making my way through his books and articles and found them very enlightening.  Here is just a snip from his article on Progressive Education.

Attending to the whole child: Progressive educators are concerned with helping children become not only good learners but also good people. Schooling isn’t seen as being about just academics, nor is intellectual growth limited to verbal and mathematical proficiencies.

Community:  Learning isn’t something that happens to individual children — separate selves at separate desks. Children learn with and from one another in a caring community, and that’s true of moral as well as academic learning. Interdependence counts at least as much as independence, so it follows that practices that pit students against one another in some kind of competition, thereby undermining a feeling of community, are deliberately avoided.

Collaboration: Progressive schools are characterized by what I like to call a “working with” rather than a “doing to” model. In place of rewards for complying with the adults’ expectations, or punitive consequences for failing to do so, there’s more of an emphasis on collaborative problem-solving — and, for that matter, less focus on behaviors than on underlying motives, values, and reasons.

Social justice: A sense of community and responsibility for others isn’t confined to the classroom; indeed, students are helped to locate themselves in widening circles of care that extend beyond self, beyond friends, beyond their own ethnic group, and beyond their own country. Opportunities are offered not only to learn about, but also to put into action, a commitment to diversity and to improving the lives of others.

Intrinsic motivation: When considering (or reconsidering) educational policies and practices, the first question that progressive educators are likely to ask is, “What’s the effect on students’ interest in learning, their desire to continue reading, thinking, and questioning?” This deceptively simple test helps to determine what students will and won’t be asked to do. Thus, conventional practices, including homework, grades, and tests, prove difficult to justify for anyone who is serious about promoting long-term dispositions rather than just improving short-term skills.

Deep understanding: As the philosopher Alfred North Whitehead declared long ago, “A merely well-informed man is the most useless bore on God’s earth.” Facts and skills do matter, but only in a context and for a purpose. That’s why progressive education tends to be organized around problems, projects, and questions — rather than around lists of facts, skills, and separate disciplines. The teaching is typically interdisciplinary, the assessment rarely focuses on rote memorization, and excellence isn’t confused with “rigor.” The point is not merely to challenge students — after all, harder is not necessarily better — but to invite them to think deeply about issues that matter and help them understand ideas from the inside out.

Active learning: In progressive schools, students play a vital role in helping to design the curriculum, formulate the questions, seek out (and create) answers, think through possibilities, and evaluate how successful they — and their teachers — have been. Their active participation in every stage of the process is consistent with the overwhelming consensus of experts that learning is a matter of constructing ideas rather than passively absorbing information or practicing skills.

Taking kids seriously: In traditional schooling, as John Dewey once remarked, “the center of gravity is outside the child”:  he or she is expected to adjust to the school’s rules and curriculum. Progressive educators take their cue from the children — and are particularly attentive to differences among them. (Each student is unique, so a single set of policies, expectations, or assignments would be as counterproductive as it was disrespectful.) The curriculum isn’t just based on interest, but on these children’s interests. Naturally, teachers will have broadly conceived themes and objectives in mind, but they don’t just design a course of study for their students; they design it with them, and they welcome unexpected detours. One fourth-grade teacher’s curriculum, therefore, won’t be the same as that of the teacher next door, nor will her curriculum be the same this year as it was for the children she taught last year. It’s not enough to offer elaborate thematic units prefabricated by the adults. And progressive educators realize that the students must help to formulate not only the course of study but also the outcomes or standards that inform those lessons.


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« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2010, 01:28:27 AM »

Twinergy: I agree.  The prevalence of progressive education throughout the last century (almost) in the U.S. can explain a lot of what's wrong with the system.  This is a good list of the dogmas & confusions of the progressive school.  In some cases, these sound good (as with "attending to the whole child" and "active learning") but they are essentially just code for something else which, when fully understand, wouldn't sound nearly as good except to the anointed.

P.S. Looked at http://www.alfiekohn.org/books.htm#null  Just looking at the guy's titles & book descriptions, he's basically a self-parody of a progressive educationist.

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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2010, 05:11:45 PM »

One problem is that math instruction is often too isolated and doesn't offer examples for using the skills in the 'real world.'  Practical applications get learners involved with a subject and often lead to the development of new problem solving strategies. Another issue is that american math educators are always trying to discover the 'magic bullet' for math instruction- should it be skills based? Should it be problem solving? The answer is that we need to use a mixture of approaches that can appeal to the varied learning styles of the students. There is no one answer- what might work for one student may not make any sense to another. That is why have always tried to use a variety of resources when teaching- from songs and poems and stories about math (like the ones I found here: http://mathstory.com), to practical applications, to working problems on paper alone.

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« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2010, 02:53:10 PM »

So far the only concrete methodologies promoted in this thread are Kumon and one particular teacher's methodology in an academy in Florida, as well as using stories. 

Are there any math teachers or parents with math degrees who have any more insight?

The sense I'm getting (and the reasoning I like) is that math needs to be learning progressively, building upon previous concepts that get thoroughly learned.  Gaps in understanding can stop you moving forward to more advanced math concepts.
If that's true, then what is the appropriate sequence? 

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« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2010, 06:50:06 PM »

I'm not sure how to answer your question, but I did want to clarify that when I used the term "progressive education," I did not mean learning progressively, building upon previous concepts that get thoroughly learned.  I mean a movement in educational philosophy started (or at least greatly popularized) by John Dewey.

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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2010, 06:59:56 PM »

My use of "progressive" doesn't apply to progressive education philosophies. 
I mean teaching and learning math concepts in a progressive way, moving from simpler concepts to more complex ones.

I guess what I really want is to hear about someone's experience with Singapore Math and to tell me if there is really something fundamentally different about how math is presented and taught with that methodology vs. say, some other curriculum.  I'd like someone to enumerate what the core differences are. 

For example, someone mentioned in a post somewhere that a typical American primary math textbook covers concepts and assigns exercises in a completely random way, using a broad brush stroke approach vs. being very systematic in building upon concepts in a prescribed way.

I'm not looking for a silver bullet, but I am definitely looking for a trusty methodology with a history of success.

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« Reply #23 on: June 14, 2010, 07:44:19 AM »

I've been trying to get at the heart of good math teaching methods in this thread, and I think I finally fell onto the Singapore Math method.  It's called the Model Method, and there's a book about it.  The table of contents is also described on the page:
http://www.singaporemath.com/The_Singapore_Model_Method_for_Learning_Mathematic_p/smmlm.htm

Hopefully this gives readers an idea of what I'm trying to discover about math education.

I'm trying to understand why some methods are better than others, and what are the winning methods or techniques that really get kids understanding math well...from basic to very complex...

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« Reply #24 on: June 14, 2010, 12:56:32 PM »

See my review here: http://forum.brillkids.com/teaching-your-child-math/review-of-(singapore)-earlybird-kindergarten-math/

I don't have much to add now.  I have discovered that you'll have to purchase (or improvise) some manipulatives if you want to do the program properly.

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« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2010, 04:13:41 PM »

hello daddude!
i read your thread/review of the singapore math  and was wondering how old was your child when you started?  and if you did doman at the same time you did singapore?  my daughter is 15 mo. and we're on multiple equations of +, -, x, / and are going to start greater/less than soon.  with your experience and success with this program, how would you suggest i proceed with it?  it seems like the child has to read/write before starting. would it be worth it for us to invest in such a program?
thanks so much for your time and advice... always love to read your posts!
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« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2010, 04:04:53 PM »

Thanks, Doc!

We didn't start it until he was 3.5, I believe, or maybe 3 and a few months.  He needed help (he still does, but a little less) writing things, and it's definitely got some writing requirements, so it can't be done if yours isn't able to at least trace numbers.  We had pretty much finished Doman-type flash card presentations by that time, but we still did them from time to time (and we still do).  I think of these books as something to do after a child has "graduated" from Doman and also from some preschool manipulative work too.

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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2010, 02:27:04 AM »

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We have to be alert who's are our children friends at the school, where are they going for sleeps over,who are their teachers, talk to teacher about how is child doing, show to the school that you care about your child,sit down at nights(I know after a full time job..you just want to relax in bed and turn on the tv for your child but this is the only time you can spent with your child, help with homework, talk to them, hug them, tell them you are proud of them,take them to the library, read with them, take them to the museum,take them for a walk...just find any small opportunity to be close to your child. And maybe we don't have the best education in the world but our children will try to be the best in class because he /she knows that we care for them and we are motivating them to be better and learn succesfully.
PY i agree 100% with that.

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« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2010, 09:01:25 PM »

mom2ross
are you still interested in this topic?
if you are i would be happy to write about my experience with some of these programs
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« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2010, 12:04:17 AM »

Hi, tatianna!
Please do share your experiences with the math programs you've used!


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