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« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2010, 09:42:03 AM »

i've not managed to find any testimonials online about using tuning forks to teach perfect pitch. but at the end of the day, it doesnt really matter, just have fun with my daughter, that's the most important. if she gets perfect pitch,, that's an added bonus.
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« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2010, 10:33:07 AM »

I'll stick with our glockenspiel. *hehe* Wish we had the one that was larger than one octave. But too bad.  My place also no space for too much large things.  I bought our glockenspiel from a music school.

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« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2010, 10:50:47 AM »

Hey Sam,

It takes only a little imagination to understand the potential of perfect pitch in the hands of a creative mind.

You hear something you can write it, you think something you can write it, you read something you can hear it, you read something you can vocally reproduce it.

Absolute pitch - no limitations, you're not hide bound to traditional instruments but can hear music everywhere, in every sound. Therefore every possible pitch becomes another sound in your musical vocabulary with which you can express yourself and create musical dialogues.

 If the aim is to only have your child be able to reproduce the tones that are pleasing to you you are cutting them off from choosing their own musical path. True creativity comes from expressing yourself musically not expressing yourself musically within these hidebound rules. That is how we stagnate. I think there is definite danger in only training in traditional music or only western music or only contemporary music or only anything. To evolve musically we need the next generations to have two things - the tools, and the imagination to use them.

To carry the language of music with you in your head....a wonderful skill. Combine this with creativity and there are no musical boundaries.

As for the trebellina DVDs I don't know why they'd include someone singing off key - similar experience with YBCR when the little girl singing changes key half through I'm a little teapot. It drives me up the wall.

Having said that if you have never been sad can you truly appreciate happiness? If a child only hears excellent pitch can they appreciate it and value it or even recognize it? I don't believe that all musical experiences should be perfect. It gives no spectrum to the child as a reference point and no appreciation for the work that has gone into the acquisition of the skill nor a visualization of the path and journey to get there.

Sorry to drag on, I just feel that as a whole musical education misses the point.


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« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2010, 11:13:34 AM »

Hey Sam,

It takes only a little imagination to understand the potential of perfect pitch in the hands of a creative mind.

You hear something you can write it, you think something you can write it, you read something you can hear it, you read something you can vocally reproduce it.

Absolute pitch - no limitations, you're not hide bound to traditional instruments but can hear music everywhere, in every sound. Therefore every possible pitch becomes another sound in your musical vocabulary with which you can express yourself and create musical dialogues.

 If the aim is to only have your child be able to reproduce the tones that are pleasing to you you are cutting them off from choosing their own musical path. True creativity comes from expressing yourself musically not expressing yourself musically within these hidebound rules. That is how we stagnate. I think there is definite danger in only training in traditional music or only western music or only contemporary music or only anything. To evolve musically we need the next generations to have two things - the tools, and the imagination to use them.

To carry the language of music with you in your head....a wonderful skill. Combine this with creativity and there are no musical boundaries.

As for the trebellina DVDs I don't know why they'd include someone singing off key - similar experience with YBCR when the little girl singing changes key half through I'm a little teapot. It drives me up the wall.

Having said that if you have never been sad can you truly appreciate happiness? If a child only hears excellent pitch can they appreciate it and value it or even recognize it? I don't believe that all musical experiences should be perfect. It gives no spectrum to the child as a reference point and no appreciation for the work that has gone into the acquisition of the skill nor a visualization of the path and journey to get there.

Sorry to drag on, I just feel that as a whole musical education misses the point.


I just believe that a child who has been exposed to good music from in-utero, would be able to develop rather musically already.  Just like Mozart.  Would his parents have specially given him 'perfect pitch" training?  I doubt. But Mozart was exposed from the time he was in the womb.

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« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2010, 11:53:37 AM »

It is a strange idea to think that providing only limited experience will wield genius type results.

Albert Einstein didn't just have numbers floating around his house and equations that he was exposed to and suddenly become a genius, he had an Uncle who played mathematical games with him as a toddler and throughout his youth.

Genius requires several things - 1)Potential 2)Tools 3) Experience to tie the two together 4 )the unknown x-factors (that could be as simple as parents (or uncles) who create opportunity outside the square).

So Mozart is born with the potential he is then given the tools and the experiences and a genius is born.

Giftedness is what we are born with our potential so to speak. Talent is what we do with it and the two are very very different things. I hope that in utero and since I have laid down the potential for my son. I now provide the tools and experiences and await to see what he does with them.

We limit ourselves and our potential when we say "good enough". When we have an end goal instead of a never ending story. We don't know what lies in our children's futures or their childrens' future so who are to determine what tools are unnecessary.

Sorry I'm a bit distracted so this argument is poorly constructed - I hope I make sense.

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« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2010, 04:19:10 PM »

I agree with TmS about the Trebellina video.  The Rock Bassey parts drive me nuts.  He could've just been a character with a low voice, but instead it's an affected "cartoony" voice.  It's got to be tough to sing on pitch that way.  I think the voice talent for Trebellina herself is much better, and when she talks/sings it catches my baby's attention more than the other characters, for some reason.

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