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« on: August 13, 2012, 10:34:37 AM »

I am interested in what peoples opinions are of the sleep learning language cds and if they work.

I am intersted in teaching both my girls french and chinese and want to optimise their learning while they slept as I can't always fit in everything in a day.

If you have used this technique I am wondering if it has worked or  not? and do you think it is too much to expose them to another language while they slept or do you tnink it is better to just go to bed and not listen to anything and let the brain rest completely without any stimuli?

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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2012, 09:16:23 PM »

While I've never used whichever specific CD(s) you're referring to, I happen to know a bit about the subject and some of what's out there. Consider it an old interest of mine.

My opinion will vary depending exactly on how everything's structured. What you can hear is paramount IMO. If you can't hear the instruction, then I personally wouldn't even make the effort.... and what's heard as a person falls asleep will count, but what's heard while asleep will count magnitudes less (as in, almost irrelevant). That's not to say there's no benefit to hearing things in your sleep, because I can go along with that, just that it's going to be far less effectual.

And then there's the consideration of sleep aid vs language aid. If you're aiming for sleep and it helps you sleep, great - if you're aiming for language then sleep is of less a consideration IMO.

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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2012, 09:53:28 PM »

I don't know about learning during sleep. But, we have had Eurosport on constantly during the Olympics. My 4yo never sat down and watched it. It was just lightly in the background. We had our first entire conversation in German this week.
We have been working on German since she was born with no real results. I think the constant exposure has made a huge difference. I plan to play news,sports, any acceptable show with lots of dialog from on. It's funny. I always thought music would be the most beneficial.

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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2012, 10:25:13 PM »

Poker dad, define related products? Post a link if it's relevant to us.
I am curious also as the kids pick up language so much faster than me, and I will find it harder to teach them as they zoom past me, I wouldn't mind some extra low effort study time.  big grin
I do actually think it would be of benefit, but don't believe it can be used exclusively as you still need to find a way to bring your subconscious learning through to your consciousness. So in my case teaching the kids as well as listening to audio while I nod off could work quite well. I havnt tried it though.
Obviously the extra bit of exposure helped sadahfrees child. Going by my mantra of imput imput imput it sounds like a great idea!

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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2012, 07:05:24 PM »

@shadahfree: I strongly   LOL agree with you, that just having the influence in the background can teach the teach as much as if the child is "paying attention". I'd first read about this in a Malcolm Gladwell book (great reads BTW) when he talks about Sesame Street and just how much research went into the making of Sesame Street in order to make sure kids paid attention. What was so interesting is that the children in their study group learned virtually the same amount whether the children had their eyes fixated on the screen or whether they were playing with toys that were scattered about in the room. Since then, I've made it a point to encourage this kind of learning with my own child, with parents who use my product and with many friends/acquaintances. I also know TeachingMyToddlershttp://forum.brillkids.com/profile/?u=40902 has seen just awesome results with this, in teaching music. It's always exciting for me to see people getting good results. Specially when it's like yours where you've dedicated all this time and effort and you finally start to see it pay off! Congrats!

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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2012, 12:53:58 PM »

Interesting!
While not really answering the question regarding learning a language while sleeping, this article is fascinating.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120826143531.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29

Purely on an anecdotal level, I have been playing the Music Math system for Alex when she is sleeping.  There is a monitor near her bed so I can hear her stirring, and almost without fail she will mumble numbers or actually sit up with some random thing like, "I'm signing a ten,' (ASL).  Not NEARLY enough for a skeptic like me, but I have been operating on the assumption that it cannot hurt. The music itself is quite pleasant....
Hope you find it as intriguing as I did.

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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2012, 03:00:13 AM »

Interesting. So the article suggests slepp learning IS possible. But we still have no idea what is actually effective.
It actually suggests that by waiting until Alex is storing you are too late. Yet this is what is most commonly recommended....  confused Stiring in the morning is REM sleep, where learning is achieved but hasn't been proven to be possilble to send that learning into consciousness.
Personally I think due to the lack of REAL  and USEFUL evidence in the area, I think using audio while drifting in and out of sleep isn't a bad idea at all. If the only problem is in linking the subconscious learning to the conscious retrieval of that info then find another way to do that. Activities like repeating the same information while awake and using right brain excersizes should open those channels....or at least help make stronger connections and speed up learning.
Kerileanne So it is the music math system...curious, can you hear any of the math they are trying to teach, knowing that it is there can you pick out the tonal lengths and pitches for simple addition? I wish their website had more detail, I was very curious but left with more questions than I came with! Grrrrr.

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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2012, 04:45:38 AM »

HOORAY!
I received a PM from someone asking if I had any discount coupons for the system, and I replied in the negative.  However, a few minutes ago I was cleaning out my old emails and found one from the company sent at the beginning of JULY! I just tested it and it does indeed still work!

If you are interested it is 40% off! Just type in Tonal Technologies into the coupon/voucher box!

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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2012, 07:18:23 AM »

Thanks so much for the coupon code   smile
With the system designed for children up to the age of 2  tongue  I sent them an email asking how to use the program and will it be beneficial with my son who just turned 2.
Here is their response:

The MusicMath System Volume 1 is designed to match the learning dexterity of the developing brain from birth to 2 years old. This is ultimately a progressive series that will span to 5 years and beyond, but those are in production and not yet available. In the meantime, your baby is still within the 5 year development stage and the neural pathways are not fully connected. We can answer your question by saying this: We recommend parents with children up to 5 years to play this series beginning with the initial CD. The reason is that - specifically - the 1st CD in the package contains an innovative tonal technology called "Pitch/Rhythm Mapping", which has been shown clinically to increase production of neuronal connection (synapses). This CD will say (for ages birth to 6 months), but in truth - although we don't have any proof of this yet - it may very well help to increase and ensure synapse formation for babies up to 5 years of age. Further research at a leading childrens hospital is expected to yield more detailed analysis within the next 18 months.

Also, as a side note. Mozart and other classical music was never created specifically for the purposes of brain development, and although better than other forms of music, we feel the MusicMath System™ would be your best shot at helping to ensure your baby's best possible intelligence.

We recommend playing the first CD as often as possible and after    about 3 months begin introducing the subsequent discs. From there    you should continue rotating the discs with the emphasis remaining    on the first CD.

    We hope to soon have more detailed information as clinical analysis    becomes available from the leading Children's Hospital where our    technologies are being researched.
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You never hear an age recommendation for the benefits of listening to classical music.  I highly doubt any of the children they are using for their analysis have been exposed to right brain learning and I am wondering what the comparison would be. 



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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2012, 07:37:15 AM »

Thanks for sharing their email reply, Mela Bala!

I had won the MusicMath System in a giveaway and will be receiving it next week. I had fully intended to start using it for Ella even though she is way past the recommended age, and I am glad to hear that it can still be beneficial for her.

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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2012, 09:00:59 AM »

Now that IS interesting. I like reading bits like " clinical" and honesty like " we don't have any proof of this yet" at least they are being real! Well it can't help, might try it with my kindy kids.  smile

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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2012, 02:30:48 PM »

Music Math was mentioned/recommended to me in my PokerCub update thread a while back. I thought the claims were grandiose, the testimonials anecdotal at best and almost all are completely fallacious, and even insinuating that it might help prevent autism as just over the top. However, I ultimately purchased because I liked their samples (very calming and soothing). The system appeared (through the sample) to be some sort of antiphony or call/answer. I wondered if antiphony would be beneficial to an infant and decided that there was a good chance it would be! As he's learning to talk, a musical dialogue seemed appropriate, and I also liked the cause and effect implication.

We've now been listening for about two weeks. In my latest PokerCub blog post (posted last night), there's a video of Cub attempting to say hello to his teddy bear. This was on his 9th week birthday. If you listen closely, you'll hear CD 1 from the music math system playing in the background. I'd say that we have it playing approximately 3-5 waking hours per day at this point and I have it running while he sleeps. I happen to like it for its sound... if there's a benefit, great... but I don't expect some musical sounds to teach Cub a lick about physics LOL

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