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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2008, 01:26:30 PM »

Thank you very much, Maddy.
I think that your little cutie is doing great. Bozhena is pointing at the pictures as well. and yesterday I was pleased to know that she realizes that the written words designate real objects. I usually stick some cards with words to the wall and we read those words from time to time. And yesterday she pointed at the words "Bozhena", say "Be" (that's how she pronounces her name, little lazybone LOL ) and then patted herself on the chest. smile Then she did the same with the word "Hunter" (that's the name of our cat) She pointed at the word, said "hah" and then pointed at the cat.  smile

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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2008, 02:01:03 AM »

It's sweet how children pronounce names - like my brother used to call me Mah-lin (for Madeleine).

Nim has just learned to say her own name - but she says "Mim"! She also just learned to say "me," so she'll sit there going, "Mim, Mim, Mim, Mim, me, me, me, me..." Very cute!

Her little friend, Eryn - who's 7 months older - can't say Naimah but instead says "Mama" whenever she sees Nim, which is also pretty hilarious. And she pronounces Maria (her helper's name) Ma-my-ah.

Another cute thing Eryn said was because her Mommy told her she has to go to work every day to earn money. Now, if you ask E where her Mommy is on a weekday, she'll say very authoritatively, "Money!"

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« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2009, 06:13:46 AM »

Dear All,

I have been intrigued with many topics and threads on this site. 

When reading about the whole word/phonics debate, it reminded me of how easy the Arabic language is compared to the English language.  In Arabic, every letter has a name and corresponding sound.  And it is written the way it is pronounced and vice versa.  There are some more complicated rules for reading the Holy Qur'an (Muslim's holy book that is classical Arabic text and is the of Modern Standard Arabic and the more water downed versions of dialects/colloquial Arabic) that take time to learn.  However, it is logical based on the articulation points in the mouth that are very exact when orally reciting the Holy Qur'an, and less so when just speaking the Arabic language.  As they say, there is a method to the madness.  smile 

When teaching children how to visually read and orally recite the Holy Qur'an, the names of the letters and sounds of the letters are learned first.  Once they have mastered it is when the names and sounds of the short vowels (a, i, u) and the long vowels (aa, ii, uu) and two diphthongs (ai, au), are added in a systematic way. 

Also, the pointing consistently is interesting, because when learning to visually read and orally recite the Holy Qur'an, the teacher and student always follow along the text with their finger rhythmically.  Once they learn the rhthm and can follow along without pointing, it is used as needed.  And when the child is old enough, they write the text to help memorize it. 

And when listening to a professional reciter of the Qur'an, it is a heart moving experience; especially if you understand the words and the deeper meanings.  Although there are medical studies have even shown that even if you do not understand the Arabic language, just listening to the Holy Qur'an recited actually lowers blood pressure and has an overall relaxing effect on the body.  Amazing. 

There are millions of people around the world that memorize the entire Holy Qur'an and many are children as young as 5.  Memorizing means perfectly and without any mistakes - zero.  Once children memorize the Holy Qur'an, then they will then study the meanings, both literal and very deep over time as their intellect develops.  And then they will also study grammatical rules since comprehension and grammar affect how and when some of the rules of recitation are applied.  When adults are learning to memorize the Holy Qur'an, the approach is different because the older you are, the more difficult is to memorize (compared to a child), but comprehension is better than that of a child. 

Nonetheless, there are many adults who memorize 624 pages (Arabic only print edition from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia - there are various printing houses around the world and some use different scripts that affect the number of lines and total number of pages) from about 2 years to 5 years; some more and some less. 

And the result is that when children (and adults) memorize the Holy Qur'an, they perform better in school than their peers and are better linguistically as adults.  Again this is because the Holy Qur'an is a classical Arabic text and the Modern Standard is based upon it - although adapted for our times.  Essentially they are learning the most difficult form of the language and all lower forms are simple at that point.

Contrasting this to American methods of learning, I once read that rote memorization was how children learned poems, songs, books, and speeches in school on a regular basis.  A lot of memorization.  And one of the reasons was to help form the basis of understanding the rules of grammar without having the rules explained to them.   At some point, this method of rote memorization was phased out in the system.

At any rate, I am glad to have read this topic because I now realize that the Qur'anic Arabic teaching/learning methods are essentially the same as some of the Native Reading techniques and can be used for both Arabic and English with my children. 

Thank you so much for sharing this valuable information.

Sincerely,
Ayesha


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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2009, 06:52:28 AM »

Karma to you, Ayesha! Thanks for that detailed info. smile

You've raised a very interesting topic - about the value of rote memorization. It's true: learning by rote was traditionally an important part of Western education, but in more recent times has been criticized for failing to encourage creativity. As it is generally considered more important for children to think creatively and imaginatively - rather than know a lot of facts - the trend has been for less and less rote memorization, less and less learning of facts.

It seems that the US education system has gone too far in the other direction though, with children knowing too few facts (having barely any grasp of geography is a prime example). And as you mention, there are other valuable aspects to learning things by rote. Just like with music, the rhythm of language can be calming and soothing - as well as aiding memorization (I'm sure if there was not such a rhythm to the Qur'an, it would be nearly impossible to memorize the whole book!). Increasing a child's exposure to language at an early age so that he/she can intuit the rules of language him/herself is something that is advocated by Glenn Doman, Robert Titzer and Timothy Kailing.

Since my last post to this thread, we have published a Native Reading Method article on BrillBaby, so do check it out for more details about the method. Go to: http://www.brillbaby.com/teach-baby/native-reading-method.php

Maddy

PS You have a beautiful name! It was actually my first choice of girl's name for my baby, but we eventually settled on Naimah... smile (My husband and I are not Muslim; we just like Arabic names!)

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« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2009, 03:21:15 PM »

Dear Maddy & All,

Thank you for expounding on the importance and role of rote memorization in the learning process.  I agree with the various threads on this site that we should be use a multi-disciplinarian approach when teaching our children about the process of learning. 

It is interesting that you and your husband like Arabic names.  And my mother also liked the Arabic name "Ayesha" and decided to name me "Ayesha Nicole" (double first name) at birth, when my father was abroad.  When father returned from his travels, and he was furious to discover that she did not name me Adina Nicole as they had agreed upon.  So my family and friends always called me Nikki, and then when I was older, I preferred to be called by Nicole.

Decades later, I learned about the origin and historical significance of my name when I met Palestinian refugees.  Being curious by nature, I then began to study about Islam and the more I learned the more I wanted to know, and then eventually converted.  It is common, although unnecessary from a religious perspective, for converts to change their names.  And I have also met many people with Arabic/Islamic based names that are not of the Islamic faith, just as you mentioned.  My daughters names are Sarah (Baby A) and Salma (Baby B).  Ohhh - what we went through on the name selection.  The girls were called Baby A and Baby B for two weeks after their birth until we could decide and agree upon a set of complimentary names. 

My husband and I both wanted names that were religiously significant and common in Arabic, but easily spelled and properly pronounced in English.  And he also wanted to have the same number of letters in both names for both languages (Arabic = 4 letters and English = 5 letters).  And both names had to have one common letter between them in both languages, such as the letter "S".  It was a little maddening to say the least, yet it was worth it.  Sarah is a pre-Judaic name and the name of one of the wives of Ibrahim/Abraham; and linguistically means "pleasure, happiness, joyous".  And Salma is a derivative of the word "Islam" which linguistically means "peace".

- Ayesha Wink






Thanks again.
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2009, 12:37:28 PM »

Thank you, Maddy and everyone else for sharing this information. It's great to compare and try to use all the techniques available to teach our little ones reading! I was amazed at how teaching native reading is appealing and actually is natural! I can recall that my parents were using many of these techniques teaching me to read although they did not know anything about Kailing! And I have also naturally done that with  my daughter (like spelling her name with magnet letters, etc.)! I am so happy I have found this site! Thank you very much for creating this wonderful program and forum! and the point about books that Diana mentioned is very important. It is really hard to find good books with large font and pictures and text on different pages. I've notices that there are 3 new books available for download at the brillkids site now. That's really a good start, I wish there were more and in different languages! How about a new contest for creating new books in different languages?
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