Should I give up?

[fatima786]

hi there.

i am not sure if this could be the possible reason why kids are not receptive to flash cards. i have 3 theories.

1. your child knows the word and is bored.

your child could really know the word and be actually bored. if you flood the child with flash cards they could see it as a chore and not really a fun learning experience or they could take it for granted or are bored with seeing it all the time.

2. the speed is also a factor. can you be as fast as a computer? or dvd

3. i think our kids are exposed to speed and technology. now if your computer can make sound effects, how do we compete with that.

i have LR and powerpoint presentations but i still use flash cards. i like Sa'ad to hear my voice and i enjoy flashing the cards. it helps me stick with my schedule.

things i do to keep Sa'ad interested.

1. when he is walking around aimlessly i get the cards and jump right in front of him and say loudly STOP!!!. his eyes light up and he laughs and i have his attention.

2. i then read the cards as quick as i can in different silly voices. one of a father bear from (goldilocks and the 3 bears) and a laughing one and a clear one and a baby bear one etc. even a french accent.

3. and i then put them away. i do 3 sets 3 times a day and not more.

4. i have a set in my handbag so when im shopping or in the car i use them. the environment is different so it works.

5. i hide away and scream "come find me" and when he comes then i flash him the words quickly as well.

[hypatia]

I have a 12 month old daughter who loves her books.
When she was 7-8months old she was completely NOT interested in books...we would try to read to her and she wouldnt look, it got very discouraging so I stopped reading to her and just played other games.
I only started reading to her again at about 10 months of age.

Rose, I'm interested in what you are saying here. My daughter -9 months- has been getting upset recently with the books I show her before sleep time. In the past, she was trying to grab the book and it was obvious she wanted to play with it, or close it, or turn the pages. But now, she starts grumbling (not sure this is the right word, but she is not happy and becomes very loud) as soon as she sees the book. She still tries to grab it and becomes very frustrated with it. It is hard to explain. If i put it away, she'll try to hold it, but as soon as she holds it, she becomes vocal again. Needless to say, it's impossible to read to her. I do it when she drinks her bottle of milk only. Any tips?

[Frukc]

I think you should
- change the subject, show something completely different;
- show faster;
- show pictures and use powerpoint or other resources.

When I prepare a session to my foughter i do not think "will it be educative enough" but "will it be funny enough". Your children are young. Are there any deadlines for starting to read? I guess, no.

[happymomof5]

One question about your child not liking the books before bed, have they seen these particular books a lot before? I had a similar problem with my first child, and one thing that was later pointed out to me was that they were bored of the same books. I then tried some new books and it helped quite a bit.

[ing]

Hi everyone. I am surprised with lots of reply.
Big thanks to all of you  for being very suportive and cheerful.
I am discoraged and sad and....dont know how to say in English

This is more information , Trinity papa and all:

We are not English speaker. But We started speaking English
to both of them 2-3 months ago. Of corse, they know English less than
our mother tounge language(We are Thai, live in Thailand). Before that,
I teached my son lots of word in English. With flashing cards, I make it
in English. I think my son doesnt know all of words I flashed though.
Coz  I try to finish my category (just want to be organized).
Since my daughter is just 8 months, so I think she rarely know the words
I flash her.

For the cards, I use the cards from Gentle Revolution (Glenn Doman institute)
which i boght secondhand from my friend. So the size is big and clear.
But with those cards, I cannot flash them as fast as i wish coz it s really big.
I didnot use picture.  At the beginning, I flash 5 sets of 5words 3 times a day.
But  I found that it was too much so I decrease to 3 set of 5 words 2-3 times
a day. and I did back to back so it s 10 words for one session and another 5 words for the another session. I did not do it on the day we go out like Sat or Sun.
about math, at the beginning, i do 2 set of 5 dot cards 3 times a day. Now,
I do it 10 cards in 1 session 2-3 times a day. I have just begun to use
Powerpoint with my 2.5 years old son,
do not know the result yet. (using picture with word and sometimes only word)
It draws more attention from him. But the problem is that, he s likely to
manipulate and play with the keyboard too. He like to strike at the keyboard
to see what the change in the screen. (I have to push the button
to the next page. Should it use animation to turn to the next page
automatically--- i think it consume lots of time to do so)

My daughter can creep but not good enogh to creep away from me.
But believe me, i start it since she cannot crawl/ creep. If she is not
interested, she just turn her head way or crying. So i think mobility is
not big deal. FOr my son, he just run away. So i try to do it onhis carseat
(in the car--he goes to a preschool from 8-12). Again, he turn his head
away but he repeat my word without looking at it.

I think that all info.

And I have one question. What do you think about flash picture
with word? I think that if i flash picture, maybe he s not paying
attendtion to words.

We are about moving to a new house in 2 weeks. Maybe it is the
good  time to change into the new routine.
Please let me know your suggestions.  I will adapt it in our routine.
Thank you so much

[ing]

One more thing! Maybe this counts.
I am not a well-organized person at all. I have never do
word cards or math card at the same time of the day.
I never have a plan of cards beforehands, I hv just did it
in the night before.

But I am willing to change for my kids.
I will try to be more organized.

[Frukc]

I think you are a highly organised person if you managed to use sets of 5 flashcards, several times per day and several days. I did not because my doughter always tried to grasp my papers.

I don't think if my curriculum will help you but I do our learning in a totally relaxed and unorganised way. I don't show single words at all (well, just sometimes), and show only powerpoint files with pictures and words. sometimes pictures only. So my doughter learns names of animals, buterflies, insects, flowers, emotions, etc.
She knows many words. Last week we were in zoo, and she recognised all the popular animals, and knew their voices. I think, knowing so much about the world is good for her development. Probably she will start to read after some time, but it is not a priority in this age

[garry]

thanks for the nice information

[hypatia]

One question about your child not liking the books before bed, have they seen these particular books a lot before?

Well, she's seen the cover of the book, but as we can never go as far as the second page.. But good tip, I'll try with a book which looks completely different, see how she reacts. I tried to 'trick' her a bit today by reading to her while she was drinking her bottle but she was still very agitated.. Am a bit puzzled... 

[Tanikit]

Keep adjusting things to your child and see what she/he likes. As far as books goes my daughter is more keen on the book if I relate the pictures in the books (and the text too since she's got a bit older) to something she has done during the day - see a circle shape? Remember the circle bricks we ran around on today? Or something to that effect. Also if necessary stop reading the book and take a walk - my daughter loves a book called Mess Monsters but we never just read it through - we point at the pictures, talk about them, look under her bed for monsters, look in the passage, call Daddy to look too - whatever makes the book fun for her.

At younger ages I let my daughter chew the books and turn the pages - even if she didn't do it correctly - so what if we read the first and then the 16th page and then went back to the 4th page - as long as she was having fun it was fine.

What type of reaction are you expecting (or getting for that matter) from your child when using the flashcards? Many children will turn away at times or even appear not to be looking. They don't have to get thoroughly excited every time. Obviously crying and throwing a tantrum is not the time to show cards though.

Sounds like you are doing fine. Don't push too hard - you can go fast through the cards (very very fast) but don't expect anything from your child - remember the less you expect the more likely you are to have fun and the more fun you have the more your child enjoys it and learns.

[jtg]

Don't give up, but do consider supplementing with other methods!  I used Kailing's Native Reading techniques successfully with my daughter -- native reading methods are much more social and kinetic.  My daughter was not a baby that liked to sit still and watch things -- not flashcards or videos (and, even if they work for some parents, I have reservations about having my child plopped in front of the TV multiple times a day!). She liked to move and grab and play with things, she liked to be physical.

Kailing's methods are all social, interactive play that include spoken word-written word correlations. Much more like natural baby and toddler play.  I know flashcards seem to work for many parents here, but I do think it is too artificial and a overly static environment for some children at least.  And even for those it does work for, I think native reading methods are a useful complement. 

Native reading is newer, so not as many people know about it as Titzer and Doman, it shares some of the same ideas, but it has a more "naturalistic" emphasis, trying to teach reading in a parallel manner to how children learn speech -- not through simplified stimuli like videos or flashcards.

The native reading web site gives an introduction and some of the philosophy behind the methods. I especially like the intro chapter of the book that's online. Let me google it. Here:

http://www.nativereading.com/introduction.html

The chapter on dyslexia is also interesting and online.  There's also a description of native reading here at brillbaby:

http://www.brillbaby.com/teach-baby/native-reading-method/method.php

Just don't think that it is as simple as the text-pointing talked about there. The web sites definitely don't give you the full picture. In the book Kailing makes the point that text-pointing is not enough for most children. The native reading techniques are crafted to (A) develop a search image for letters and text  (B) develop a phonic cognitive "map" (in the brain) from letters to sounds (and back)  (C) develop a whole word "map," too, from written words to spoken words  (D) and most importantly, this is done through natural methods which are all fun and games that engage babies and toddlers and teach them socially, and flexibly, just like they naturally learn spoken language.  He really emphasizes customizing the games to each child's personality.  By the way, native reading methods are both "left brain," phonics-based AND "right brain," whole word-based.  It is a whole brain approach!

I think the native reading approach is less programmatic than Doman's or Titzer's, and a lot of parents do like to follow a "program" of, say, X number of flashcards, Y times a day. In contrast, Kailing explains a lot more about the "whys" behind the methods, so that if something is not working for your child you can modify the techniques to fit your unique little one, rather than be frustrated if your child "won't pay attention."

[feline75]

Sounds very interesting, jtg.  I'll definitely do a good read-up on this technique.

Is native reading working on your child?  How long have you tried this method?

[jtg]

Native reading worked wonderfully for my daughter. I had already been reading with her pretty much daily, and doing a bit of "letter play" even earlier, so she had a neurological base. But after about 6 months of native reading techniques, for maybe 15-30 minutes per day, on average, she really took off. (Kailing emphasizes consistency -- doing at least a little native reading activity each day, even if it's only reading with implicit text pointing -- rather than stressing a lot of time in a given session.)  She could read anything by her third birthday, and in the months since then, she's continued to gain more fluency and confidence.

I especially like how native reading taught her both phonics and whole word skills together.  I don't know why many people emphasize one over the other, when both skills seem critical to me. Kailing argues that it is best neurologically to learn them together.

I really think Kailing's "Native Reading" and Lise Eliot's "What's Going on in There" are two recent books that should be required reading for any educated parent.

[ed]

One more thing! Maybe this counts.
I am not a well-organized person at all. I have never do
word cards or math card at the same time of the day.
I never have a plan of cards beforehands, I hv just did it
in the night before.

But I am willing to change for my kids.
I will try to be more organized.

hi, I'm not a well-organized person at all and I've got many problems with learning my son, I' ve maked flashcards and presentation for about 12 moths and my son knows every word but he isn't reading yet,


AND

two days ago he learned Ape (Bee)...
now he prefers only words without images coz he can concetrate better
ed.

[jdhanota]

There are so many reading methods out there, I guess I would try to see which one works best with your child and go with that one.

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