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« Reply #60 on: March 02, 2009, 06:04:32 AM »

The Vaccine Dilemma: Many families, some fearing autism risk, choose to avoid children's immunizations

Sunday, March 01, 2009
By Mark Roth, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
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Tricia Baum, of Canonsburg, suspects that vaccines may have triggered autism in her son, Nicholas. She recently switched to a pediatrician who agreed to measure the 5-year-old's blood antibody levels before deciding whether to give him a measles-mumps-rubella booster.

After Jayden Naughton lost his speech when he was 2 and was diagnosed with autism, his mother, Megan, made a crucial decision.

When the Avalon woman gave birth to her second son, Duncan, two years ago, she decided he would not be vaccinated, because she believed vaccinations might have had something to do with Jayden's regression.

Duncan is now 2, has never had a vaccination, and also has been diagnosed with autism.

Some might say that this suggests his autism has a genetic cause, but Mrs. Naughton doesn't buy it. In fact, she fears that starting to vaccinate him now could make his symptoms worse. And she's not particularly worried about him getting sick from the diseases the vaccines protect against.

"My grandparents had a lot of these diseases and they're fine," she said last week. "I think these childhood diseases are there for a reason. They're there to build up the immune system."

Whether you agree with her or not, Mrs. Naughton is part of a small but growing subset of parents who either won't vaccinate their children or want to space out their shots. Most of them believe there may be a connection between the vaccines and autism, despite a growing list of scientific studies that contend otherwise.

Even if they aren't worried about autism, some parents are bothered by what they see as an increasing assault on babies' immune systems.

"We do vaccinate, but they do scare me," one mother wrote on the Pittsburghmom.com Web site, which is owned by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "[It's] not necessarily because of autism but just because they get so many of them now and I just wonder if they truly know that they are safe."

While many pediatricians and infectious disease experts feel that doctors should stand their ground in the face of such fears, there is an increasing number of doctors who are willing to accommodate these parents.

Tony Kovatch is one of them. Dr. Kovatch, of the Pediatric Alliance's Arcadia office in McCandless, doesn't agree with avoiding vaccinations altogether, and doesn't know any other pediatricians who do. But he is willing to delay certain vaccinations.

Under the standard schedule promulgated by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, children can get up to 27 doses of 14 different vaccines before they are 2. They often get up to six shots per visit.

Melinda Wharton, acting director of the immunization safety office at the CDC, said she sees no medical or scientific rationale for spacing out those inoculations.

But Dr. Kovatch responded that "I also don't see any biomedical justification for having to give so many all in one day." He said he believes the schedule was set up "to work into the template of the pediatric well-child visits at 2 months and 4 months and 6 months. But I think the anxiety and concerns of the well-informed public have trumped the convenience on the timing."

One physician who disagrees is Andrew Nowalk, an infectious disease specialist at Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh.

"One of the reasons we are so hot on the vaccination schedule as it is, is that otherwise, you can put your child at risk for some of these diseases, many of which are quite serious. My response to parents who say 'what's the harm in spacing them out' is that many of these diseases are quite devastating."

While they don't see eye to eye on the vaccination schedule, Dr. Kovatch and Dr. Nowalk do agree that some of the diseases the vaccines protect against are more of a threat than others.

Before age 1 children should get the diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus shot and those for haemophilus influenzae B (also known as Hib) and pneumococcal infections, Dr. Kovatch said.

The Hib and pneumococcal vaccines are designed to guard against bacterial meningitis, which used to infect 18,000 children in the United States each year and kill 1,000 of them in the era before the vaccines were available, Dr. Nowalk said.

The pertussis vaccine protects against whooping cough, which has not been eradicated in the United States. Before scientists developed a pertussis vaccine for older children in 2005, there were about 10 to 20 deaths from whooping cough in the country annually, and most were in young children, the CDC's Dr. Wharton said.

For those vaccines, Dr. Kovatch said, he will sometimes suggest to parents who are concerned about the frequency of immunizations that they come into the office more often, and get one vaccine each month rather than three at a time.

He's willing to delay past age 1 the hepatitis B vaccine and the polio vaccine, especially if the family isn't planning overseas travel.

Some doctors follow the schedule advocated by Dr. Bob Sears, a California pediatrician and author of "The Vaccine Book -- Making the Right Decision for your Child."

In his "selective schedule," Dr. Sears never gives more than two vaccinations per visit and delays vaccinations for measles, mumps, rubella, chickenpox and hepatitis A until age 10, and then only if a child's blood tests show a lack of immunity to these diseases.

Spacing out vaccines, he wrote in an e-mail, "allows parents who would otherwise refuse all vaccines to get their babies protected, and helps protect our nation as a whole by raising vaccination rates among worried parents."

Dr. Wharton said she is not a fan of spacing out immunizations, but isn't unalterably opposed.

The problem, she said, is that if too many parents avoid or delay vaccinations, it can allow clusters of childhood diseases to erupt. Outbreaks of measles in the Southwest last year and of haemophilus infections in Minnesota this year were both traced in part to families with unvaccinated children.

Underlying the vaccine delay is the idea that the current schedule puts too much stress on children's immune systems.

But Dr. Wharton offered two arguments against that.

First, she said, children's immune systems are exposed to far more challenges from daily living than they are from all the vaccinations combined.

Second, even though children get far more vaccinations today than they did 40 years ago, they are exposed to far fewer substances in those vaccines that trigger an immune reaction.

The particles in vaccines that build up immunity are called antigens. A 2002 study in the Journal Pediatrics said that the 11 vaccines children were getting in 2000 contained 123 to 126 antigens, while the five that children got in 1960 -- smallpox, diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and polio -- contained 3,217 antigens.

The major reason for the huge decrease was eliminating the smallpox vaccine from the schedule after that disease was eradicated (it contained 200 antigens), and devising a new pertussis vaccine that dropped the antigen count from 3,000 to about five.

Tricia Baum, of Canonsburg, the mother of a 5-year-old son with autism, said she had not heard that information before -- but it still doesn't change her suspicion that vaccines may have triggered her son's condition.

When she took Nicholas for his 16-month doctor's visit, she said, he was sick and fussy, "and I asked whether he should get his shots, but the doctor checked his ears, and then he said, 'I'm his physician and we're going to go ahead with his vaccinations today and we're going to give him his flu shot as well.' "

She said Nicholas had been developing normally until then, except for a delay in his vocabulary, but not long after that visit, he began to lose what words he had and retreat into himself.

Ms. Baum recently switched to a pediatrician who agreed to measure Nicholas' blood antibody levels before deciding whether to give him a measle-mumps-rubella booster.

Nicholas hasn't had any booster shots yet, she said, and won't as long as his antibody measurements stay high enough.

Elliot Frank, who has a teenage son diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, is the chairman of local support group ABOARD -- Advisory Board on Autism and Related Disorders.

Although he doesn't believe vaccines cause autism, he knows many families in his organization who do, and he understands the emotions that are driving that idea. "We talk to our parents about how you can't blame yourself for what has happened, but I think it's human nature that you've got to blame something, because you had this image of what your child would grow up to be and at a very young age it's taken away from you, and you've got to blame somebody for life being that unfair."

Dr. Nowalk, who has a child with Down syndrome, understands that as well, but said, he can't abandon his principles as a doctor over the vaccine issue.

"I know they work because I've seen them in my lifetime as a physician protect children against diseases. And they are safe."
Mark Roth can be reached at [email protected] or at 412-263-1130.

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« Reply #61 on: March 02, 2009, 07:07:57 AM »

Just some personal feed back.

I have just taken my child for her measles injection, which for various reasons was overdue.

When I spoke to the clinic sister about the "problems" with the MMR this was her reaction. (There has to be a 6 month interval before the MMR can be given).

> It is quite OK to leave the immunization until the child is 2

> Threre will be signs of autism in a child before that age

> The advantages far outweigh the disadvantages, particularly if a child is in a cheche or play group where they pick up EVERYTHING.

Speak to your clinic and/or doctor if in doubt and find out from the medical profession what other complications can occour with  Measles, Mumps or Rubella



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« Reply #62 on: March 02, 2009, 03:13:06 PM »

I don't think that vaccines cause Autism but I do believe that they can make the symptoms worse.

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« Reply #63 on: March 02, 2009, 06:11:12 PM »

I have found couple interesting sites about vaccinations and risks involved in taking them. Here there are:
www.vran.org
www.vaclib.org
www.novaccine.com
www.909shot.com
www.thinktwice.com

I wish I had read the packaging insert before my boy was vaccinated! There are so many contraindications and possible side effects, but parents are never informed about them. Where I live (Calgary), doctors don't even see kids before immunization! Only nurses check the kids, but for them the priority is to vaccinate!

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« Reply #64 on: March 02, 2009, 07:22:26 PM »

this topic is so timely as i am about to schedule issam for his MMR shot!
here in dubai, we are given a list of required such as DPT, Polio, HIB & optional (PCV, rotavirus, yellow fever, etc.) vaccinations. hubby and i made some reading regarding vaccines and all our readings lead to the statement that vaccines can TRIGGER autism, which is why we only gave him the required shots and has skipped the optionals due to the fear of instead of looking after our son's health, we are leading him to something that will harm him later on. confused
after reading so many materials about this issue, its really very difficult to decide whether or not we should give our child these shots? if i don't give him the MMR shot, what are the risk i am taking for my son's health? confused

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« Reply #65 on: March 02, 2009, 07:43:07 PM »

I spread them out for my children, getting as few as possible at a time.  A friend of mine gave me this idea.  She work in a vet. office for years and saw the ill effects on the animals.  She saw that spreading the shots out was easier on them. 


I realize that this is only 1/2 of a solution.  I've heard that there is also some natural healing available for the reaction that increases autism symptoms.  It is like autupuncture only without the needles.  I've used it for other alergies.  The only place I know of that does it is
Health Quest Chiropract in Missouri Valley, Ia (51555) U.S.

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« Reply #66 on: March 08, 2009, 07:38:42 PM »

I just wanted to add this link to an article that I found interesting - http://www.babble.com/Vaccines-dont-cause-autism-So-why-do-so-many-people-believe-that-they-do-Paul-A-Offit-MD-Excerpt-Autisms-False-Prophets/

I have a few more months before I have to decide about the MMR vaccine.  Apparently our pediatrician has a serious conversation about the pros and cons before it is due.

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« Reply #67 on: February 11, 2012, 05:26:04 AM »

I have been doing a lot of searching for answers to this debate myself.  It can be a hard decision.  For those who choose not to vaccinate, I found this site that addresses issue of prevention, cure, remedies, ect. for unvaccinated children.  http://curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=117&db=1&C0=735

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« Reply #68 on: February 11, 2012, 07:33:28 AM »

Thank you for the link, Sunnys Mother , some really good information. K2U

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« Reply #69 on: February 11, 2012, 02:59:13 PM »

When I was investigating this for our family I read a fantastic book that pulls together many arguments for and against vaccines.  It is an extremely comprehensive book detailing even the history, and "juxtaposes the stories of brilliant scientists with industry's struggle to provide safe, effective, and profitable vaccines.  It focuses on the role of military and medical authority in the introduction of vaccines and looks at why some parents have resisted this authority."
Anyway, I found it extremely helpful and the biography helped me to find relevant primary literature to avoid much of the hype and anecdotal 'evidence'.

One caveat, this book came out in about 2009, so I would also want to review some of the newer literature...but if you want to make a completely informed decision, this is a great read!

Vaccine. The Controversial Story of Medicine's Greatest Lifesaver. By Arthur Allen
ISBN-13: 978-0-393-05911-3

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« Reply #70 on: February 12, 2012, 12:16:32 AM »

I had a friend that had me watch a video called Are Vaccines Safe? with Mary Tocco.  You can find out about her at this link.  www.novaccine.com/mary_tocco.asp 

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« Reply #71 on: February 12, 2012, 10:41:41 AM »

Hi Sunny’s Mother

I assume that you didn’t just accept what she says is fact. What did you think of her credentials and the sources of her information?

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« Reply #72 on: February 13, 2012, 04:38:03 AM »

Chris,
I have done a lot of different research.  I didn't even keep up with all the sites I looked at, so I can't list them all.  I think I mentioned in an earlier post that it is a hard decision.  My youngest son has down syndrome.  The double dx of ds and autism seems to be on the rise.  For him we decided no vaccines for now, and we will revisit the decision again when he is 2. 

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« Reply #73 on: February 13, 2012, 11:11:55 AM »

Hi Sunny’s Mother,

I agree that it can be a difficult decision to make. Have you looked at the Cochrane Library to study their database of systematic review?

 http://www.cochrane.org/cochrane-reviews

MMR review can be found here http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD004407.pub2/abstract

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« Reply #74 on: February 14, 2012, 03:17:00 AM »

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