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« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2008, 06:52:19 AM »

wow! its amazing how developing our bodies in a physical way has an effect on our speech!

i run a  mum and baby class and i have a 20 month old who isnt speaking clearly as yet.  his mom is starting to worry as her first born was reading at 3. i was wondering if somersaulting and foward flips would help expand the lungs and hence have an effect on speech? does swimming have the same effect?

i noticed that the reading programme is helping this boy as he is able to say single syllable words that he has learnt more clearly. he has also started to hum along to songs that we sing. he follows instructions amazingly well. in fact ive never seen a child actually do what his mother tells him all of the time. i hope that recommending more physical activities will help his speech as he is getting frustrated when he cant find the words  or get his message accross.

i will definiitely research the effect that fine motor skills has on speech.   

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« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2008, 05:14:40 PM »

and let's not forget the importance of crawling on speech, according to Glenn Doman. More info here:
http://www.brillbaby.com/teach-baby/crawling-walking.php

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« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2009, 05:42:42 PM »

Thanks a lot Diana for this information. smile

I'm looking for research papers about the connection between fine motor skills and speech, or how finger exercises can help with speech problems. I wasn't able to find anything - the research into this is probably quite limited.

Is Logopedia like Wikipedia in that it would have to cite references when making claims? Are they any references (such as the 1928 study mentioned) cited for this article?

Thanks again!

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Maddy, unfortunately logopedia is not like wikipedia. there are no links or references there Sad I've tried to find any cites with any references but failed. the information is really limited, you are right. Maybe we should have a look at sites of Montessori organization, because as far as I know Montessori researched the connection between sensor perception and speech development. I'll keep on search. (Great blog entry, by the way  LOL )

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« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2009, 08:18:07 PM »

This is really interesting. My daughter is still not pronouncing things very clearly - I understand her, but she has only one or two words that anyone who doesn't live with her might understand (surprisingly one of those words is "yes")

Thanks Diana for the post on fine motor skills. I have been looking this up for a while now as wanted to encourage my daughter. One thing I would advise is that parents try to find a normal development milestone curve for these activities too so that you do not pressure your child to do something that they cannot do - I know a woman who really tried to force her 18 month old to jump (something that is usually only accomplished at 2 years of age) and it frustrated the child - what she could have done is put her child on a trampoline and let him bounce where it wouldn't matter if his feet never left the ground, but he was still exercising the same muscles.

That being said I did read some interesting things on the internet which may help parents trying to teach young children to write:

On average a child can:
      scribble with the whole arm (back and forth motions) at 14-16 months
      scribble more circular movements at about 18 months
      copy a straight line and later a circle around 2 years
      copy an X (around 3 years)
      copy a square (sometime between 3 and 4 years)
      copy a triangle (around 5 years)
This is actually quite important if we are going to teach our 3 year olds to write
as letters do contain variations on these shapes and expecting perfection may not work.

We did try to get my sisters child who is 2 years 9 months to copy a 4 which we drew and she did succeed after a few tries, but knowing the above helped as we could understand why she struggled so much to make the line which crossed the other lines (an X can be done at just over 3 years of age)

My own daughter started scribbling at a year of age and I introduced chalk to her today which she found easier to use. She has recently started making more circular scribbles. The other thing I read is that some children will feel happier using thinner crayons and markers to draw with and I wonder if having to use more fine motor control gives them a better feeling than using jumbo crayons (there is a study about this on the internet)


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« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2009, 08:52:31 PM »

My kids always enjoyed drawing with thinner pencils (finer motor skills?) but coloring in with fat markers (as it goes faster) My almost 4y.old has a game with the older ones: they draw an object of her choice (it all started with a butterfly, then flowers of different kinds, now princesses) and she copies on the same page, step by step. I should say she is getting good at it.

About speech development. I am surprised to hear your concerns of 17mnth old toddlers. My first girl spoke very little (one-two syll max and no phrases) till she was two and only after we gave up one of the 3 languages she was hearing she made visible progress. Since then I read that bilingual kids often learn to speak later, so maybe that was the case. She read by 3.5-4 though.

My 4 y.o. doesn't speak very clearly yet, so thanks and karma for your post, Diana,  I will do more of those games with her too. BTW I am from Kiev smile


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« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2009, 09:31:13 PM »

Nikolett, I also heard that bilingual kids start speeking later. One of my friends is married to the Canadian guy and their son didn't speak much till he was two and a half. Now he is almost three and he is quite a chatterbox. He understands Russian perfectly well but he replies in English most of the time. 
(You are from Kiev? Wow, I am from Zhitomir. smile It's great to meet you here! It's a small world smile

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« Reply #21 on: January 03, 2009, 12:20:50 PM »

hi Diana
Do they live in Ukraine or abroad? We left Ukraine when my oldest was  a baby and I stopped speaking Russian to her when she was two. She understood it plus English and Hungarian but couldn't answer and was getting frustrated. Then she talked English but wouldn't answer in Hungarian until we came to Hungary. Now I am trying to give them all a Russian class couple times a week and hope they'll catch up.

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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2009, 07:20:27 AM »

One suggestion I have for you is to continue to speak in Russian, but let her answer back in whatever language she's most comfortable in.  That way, at least she will hear a lot of Russian and improve her comprehension skills.  Over time, the more she understands it, then you can insist that she replies to some of your questions or say some short phrases in Russian.

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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2009, 09:02:30 PM »

Nikolett, my friend lives in Canada and her boy was born there. He speaks English now, but understands Russian cause Tania speaks Russian with him most of the time. But when his father comes home from work, Nickolas tells him everything that happened with him during the day in English.  smile I think that KL is right. You should keep speaking Russian with your kids and they will catch it up.

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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2009, 11:51:09 PM »

 smile Thanks tankit Iwill keep that in mind to teach him to write.Today he got a blackboard and with the chalk he is getting more interested to write .As he was trying to write he even sanged the alphabet.I have been singing the letters over year and did not say them and today he tried. LOL . igive you a karma for this today .

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« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2009, 11:56:47 PM »

I have noticed Colin will do things we normally do to teach him if we don't do it. AS long as we do it he sits there and watches and does not do it with us. But if he  doesn't think we are watching while he is watching video or we are not doing it. He does it and looks at us like why are you not doing it. That is if he is not busy sucking his thumb. If he is busy sucking his thumb it better be something he really wants to do to remove the thumb!

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« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2009, 09:56:07 PM »

Thanks KL and Diana,
I have started repeating what I said in Russian. It feels like double effort  Wink but I believe,it will pay off.

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« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2009, 12:38:16 AM »

I always say the second language (Chinese) first and repeat in the first language (English) if I think she didn't understand it the first time.  Actually, often time, especially if it's a question, it would be Chinese, quick English translation, then the question again in Chinese.

Yes, it's quite an effort, but after a while, you will find you need to translate less.  First, you know you won't need to translate all the simple phrases like "No", "I love you", etc.

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« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2009, 09:35:06 AM »

I have been told that playing with legos will help with fine motor skills and in turn help with speech. I guess since Colin is having problems with speech, he will also have problems with writing. Sad We have started with crayons, and so far not much interest. Trying to get him to draw a line scribble. He just wants to pound it into the paper.

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« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2009, 10:13:55 AM »

hi patreiche

my son was afraid of bath time so i got him these bath crayons that are formulated such that they wash off. now bath is a pleasure and he love writing on the walls of the tub.
maybe that could boost your little ones interest in crayons.
hope it helps

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