YBCR v LR?

[umm_amani]

Hi I am new to LR and this forum. I have signed up for the 14 day trial and so far my daughter loves this but I also came across your baby can read and wondered if anyone had any comments on using one over the other or if they are good to supplement one another...

I am planning to teach my daughter at least 3 languages (English, Arabic (formal and the local dialect her dad speaks) and Gujerati and possibly Hindi) so I know that LR may be used for different languages so I am leaning towards this.

Do people use various different tools and how have them found them?

I am also concious that I do not have a lot of time as I work full time so would be doing any sessions in the morning before nursery/childminder and then in the evening when we get back home...

thanks in advance for any tips

Reshmi

[nhockaday]

In short, YBCR is just a set of videos that only teaches 172 words. They cannot be changed or modified. Don't get me wrong, they are great and help many babies recognize words, but they are very limited to what they can do. LR has a complete curriculum that goes beyond just teaching sight reading. It teaches 1000's of words and includes couplets, sentences, stories and phonics. You can play it according to your child's interest. It has pictures, fonts and pronunciations that change with every playback so your baby doesn't get bored watching the same thing over and over. Not only that, but you can also download files created by other members or create your own, completely personalizing your babies learning experience.

You can use YBCR and LR together, many people have. The more variety, the better. But if you're up in the air about purchasing one or the other, I would recommend LR.

[Niniedney]

I am also curious to see what other parents have to say about this. But as for me I purchased YBCR before I heard about LR. I wishi had bought LR instead because of all the good things I hear. But we do not have the money. We already spent a lot of money on YBCR. It is working well for us tho. My daughter can now sight read many words, and using those as examples I am teaching her phonics now. Does anyone have LR that would be willing to sell it cheap?

[ShenLi]

I've used: LR, YBCR, Doman flashcards, Tweedlewink and my own flashcards on powerpoint.  I agree with nhockaday - the more variety the better.  It is difficult to keep my children's interest for long and switching around helps a lot.

When I started my older boy on flashcards, I didn't know anything about Doman, LR or YBCR or any other early reading program.  Because I didn't understand how a child's brain worked, I showed him the same cards over and over until I literally bored him to death.  I also flashed them too slowly thinking he needed more time to absorb them which was my second mistake.  After a while, he got so turned off flashcards he would immediately turn away when I brought out the flashcards.

I dropped the flashcards and showed him YBCR which worked well because it was multi-sensorial.  But since I started doing flashcards with his little brother, he now wants in on the action and we're back to flashcards again.  I swap between Doman flashcards and computer flashcards just to keep the variety happening for both boys.  Sometimes it's just the words, sometimes the pictures, and sometimes both.  With my baby I also tell him the names of objects we encounter during the day to reinforce the meaning behind the words he's learning.

I think twice a day is plenty.  My older boy sometimes only needs to see it once a day and it's enough - I don't think I could get him to do it more than once anyway.  You have to play it by your child to see what she responds to.  The important thing is not to bore her.  If she's losing interest, it means you're not going fast enough.

There are two methods to teach a child how to read: "whole word" and "phonics".  LR offers both, YBCR is purely "whole word". 

Benefits of teaching children to read using “whole words”:

    * children learn to read more quickly
    * children can understand what they read
    * children can start reading their first books within a few months

The disadvantage of teaching children to read using “whole words”:

    * children cannot read words they have never seen before

Although Glenn Doman believes that if you teach a baby to read enough words, the baby will eventually be able to extrapolate and apply what he has learned to new words he has never seen before.  That said, I'm not sure if YBCR teaches a child enough words for them to extract the rules of phonics and apply them to new words.

The advantages of teaching a child how to read using “phonics”:

    * children learn the rules of letter pronunciations
    * children can read words they have never seen before by applying the rules they have learned

The disadvantages of teaching a child how to read using “phonics”:

    * takes longer for a child to learn how to read
    * children usually take about 1-2 years before they can read their first book

Ideally what you want is to teach your child both methods.  A younger child will do better on the whole words methods because it means more to her.  "Cat" refers to the furry animal she likes to play with as opposed to "c" is "kuh" which means nothing to her.  Once your child has armoury of words under her belt, I believe she will be more responsive to phonics which will teach her to read other words independently.

Oh yes, languages - I'm using EuroTalk which is a CD ROM program for adults wanting to learn a foreign language.  I do this because I cannot speak any other language other than English but I want my kids to be multilingual.  The program works well for my older son.  With my younger son, I'm using TweedleWink World Languages DVD, and Wink to Learn (which is a Chinese flashcard program on DVD).  That way my kids learn the correct pronunciation even though I can't speak the language.

[ZaJa]

I totally agree with what nhockaday said. If you can afford to buy LR and YBCR DVDs together then go for it and let your child experience both. But if you had to choose between the two, I would highly recommend LR.

LR is a brilliant software learning program and YBCR is an interesting DVD-based learning system. I have used both when my son was 11 months. Dr. Titzer recommends that you show each of the 5 YBCR DVDs daily for about a month or 2 before moving to the next. We finished YBCR after a few months, whereas, LR, has since been part of my son’s daily reading. LR’s method allows you to show the lessons once or twice a day, with different lesson types to choose from (making it more exciting for the child). In my opinion, I like LR more because children get to see TONS of words and you can personalize the lessons and make use of multimedia options to capture the child’s interest. The YBCR videos, although entertaining, was quite limiting because it just shows less than 200 words as compared to over 3,000 words of LR and a lot more with the files you can download and show your child. With exposure to MORE words (not to mention LR has a good phonics section too), children can figure out the rules of phonics on their own, eventually allowing them to read by themselves. 

Both LR and YBCR are multisensory in nature. However, LR is more flexible as it can encourage reading at your child’s own pace and allow more interaction to further reinforce the learning experience.

The versatility of LR makes it so simple and easy to use. Just press play and the lesson for the day is already set. It will take just a few minutes for the lesson while the DVDs will take about 40 minutes. Since you also want to start teaching your child with 3 languages, LR is definitely a good source to start with.

You may want to consider getting the lifetime LR and LM as well and save up on costs. They recently came up with a Deluxe kit so it’s a complete learning system, not just the software. Hope this helps!

[Twinergy]

Maybe you can get YBCR at the library.  If your library doesn't have it you could ask if they are able to borrow it from another library.

[DrPrimo]

hey gang:
well, we've blown through YBCR.  i started my daughter at 4 mo. but i only played them 1x/day b/c they are SOOO long. we finished in 5 -6 mo.   but she really loves them so i still do it every once in a while.  i would like to sell my DVD and the books that go with them.  we're still using the flashcards, though.  i taped  italian words over the english words and then show the picture.  works like a charm.  why keep making flashcards from scratch, right?
 i'm going to do that with other languages as well.
 LR sounds great but they don't play on a MAC without some crack program... and i'm not sure i want to do that.  still debating.  does not work on a PS3 either.  that would be great b/c then you could play it on the TV screen.  maybe soon.
anyone have luck using LR on a mac?  would it work in classic mode OS9?
thanks!
the doc

[realgirrrl]

My mother taught me to read using Doman flashcards over 30 years ago.  He is correct, I never really needed to learn phonics to read new words.  The down side I would say is that I alway was, and still am a terrible speller and I believe this is from the lack of phonics.  I just had my first baby and I will be using Doman as well, it so well for me, I was on a fifth grade reading level at the start of first grade (5 years old).

[DrPrimo]

wow!  that is facinating.  i never thought about spelling! 
so this time around with your child, are you going to add phonics to your doman plan?
the doc

[nadia0801]

Good Day!

 We have used both products and I'd like to share one main advantage of LR against YBCR.  The PATTERN PHONICS feature is ingenious!  I believe it has the greatest impact on how my 18-month old daughter is able to read phonetically.  The technique of showing groups of words with similar endings and beginnings (-at, it, -ack,-am, -ess, etc), reinforces the phonemic sounds which in turn, teaches the child how group of letters sounds like.  I was already showing my DD the pattern phonics lessons even before she knows the simple letter sounds (a, b , c, d, etc) and it works!

  The phonemic sounds that's being taught has a different color with the rest of the word, thus putting the phonemic sounds in more focus.  The idea is similar to the the Montessori Method of teaching phonics (I'll attach the supporting document) and the "Flesch Cards" that one of our forum member used with great success with this son.

[FlashMom11]

For what I've read LR seems much more complete, however it is not compatible with Macs (which is why we didn't buy it). I just ordered YBCR, it is much more affordable than LR, plus you might be able to even buy it from craigslist used and save more money.
If you can afford LR and have a PC at home then invest in that program.

I have not received my YBCR yet, but I'm excited about it! hopefully I won't be disappointed.

Good luck!

[DrPrimo]

I can tell you that YBCR is a great place to start.  but once you've completed the program, you're kind of stuck.  by then, i'm sure LR will be available for mac.  if you are going to buy anything off of Craig's List, make sure you don't just get copies of the DVDs, but  get all of the flashcards and books as well.  they are really important.  another thing that has been discussed on the forum is the leap frog phonics DVD.  its a great thing to introduce around the 3rd DVD of YBCR.  a good combo before LR.  i'm going to break down and get LR and use my husband's PC b/c i don't want to partition my hard drive.  lots of problems running windows like that on a mac and i don't want to repeat that!
good luck!
the doc

[DadDude]

I like LR and support what KL and crew are doing, but there is one thing that YBCR has that LR doesn't have, that to my mind makes a huge difference: the arrow moving under the word.  This gets kids to pay attention to how the letters match up with spoken sounds--crucial, and (I don't know, but) might spell all the difference for some kids.

[nhockaday]

There is an arrow, you just have to move it yourself. No, you can't just turn it on and let it play by itself, but you can still get it to work.

[DadDude]

Does the arrow automatically refocus on the beginning of the word when a new slide is loaded?  If not, let that be a feature request.  :-)

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